Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

You have been posting about immigration. You have avoided questions about how Labour are going to deter people arriving here illegally.

Here is another point and question.

Yvette Cooper has been setting out plans for tackling the record levels of illegal immigration into Britain Yvette Cooper states she will deport people in the next six months at an increased rate. She doesn't know where many will be deported to because deportation will only be carried out where the individuals can be sent back to safe Countries, which is the minority of those who enter the UK illegally.

However regardless Yvette Cooper states she will deport 14,000 people in the next six months. The number of people in the UK who are here illegally is estimated at 1.2 million. Using Yvette Coopers plan It will take 75+ years to clear that 1.2 million .

Do you think this will be an efficient system?

 

Ashton's gone to ground.

He's like most politicians, the only solution they have is bury their heads in the sand.

 

The Tories answer to the illegal immigration problem was to send arrivals to Rwanda. Whilst in principle I’m not overly comfortable with shipping people off to a third country, I’m also a realist and a pragmatist, so gave them the benefit of the doubt initially.

It was sold to us as putting off potential illegals from attempting the crossing. I was sceptical but happy to see the results of their efforts. If it worked as a deterrent fine.

The actual scheme was fraught with problems, was judged illegal, cost a heck of a lot of money and failed. Plus the numbers that would actually be sent wouldn’t work as a deterrent. and certainly wouldn’t deal with the ones already here.

We now have got to give Labour a chance to implement their ideas, but they need to be given time. If they fail I’ll be more than happy to say so.

 

In 2003 a lefty lawyer took the labour party to court. He demanded that illegal immigrants get benefits. He won the case which laid the base / the ground for todays scandal of hotels and benefits for illegal immigrants [ currently circa £700 per week per person ]
THAT LAWYER WAS NONE OTHER THAN Sir Keir " Kamikaze" Starmer ............

hey ho what goes round comes round,

now we all have to suffer because the bill for these illegals is currently in excess of £35,000,000+ per week OR £1,820,000,000 + paid for by the aged or needy in our society


from a different article ......
There are a number of inaccuracies in this post. While asylum seekers who may be at risk of destitution are provided with financial assistance and accommodation, including hotels, by the government, they are not allowed to apply for mainstream welfare benefits (for example Universal Credit) and therefore do not receive benefits.

It is true that Mr Starmer, before he was an MP and Leader of the Opposition, represented five asylum seekers as a barrister in a case against the government. However the 2003 case Mr Starmer was involved in did not enable all “illegal immigrants” to receive support.

The case challenged legislation introduced by the then-Labour government, which meant the Home Secretary could refuse support to asylum seekers who didn’t claim asylum as soon as they arrived in the country. The claimants Mr Starmer represented won the case as the judge ruled that the government couldn’t refuse support based on how soon after arrival an asylum claim was made. Asylum seekers received support from the government or local authorities for years before 2003.

 

Could you explain Labours ideas.

How does giving tens of thousands illegal immigrants amnesty to enter the asylum system work? As the majority (supported by previous figures) will be granted asylum how does this not provide an incentive for more illegal immigration?

How will Yvette Coopers plan to deport 14,000 in the next six months work? This will not even remove the back log of asylum seeking applicants from last year, and does not touch the estimated 1.2 million illegal migrants here. Yvette Coopers plan will INCREASE immigration and the back log of asylum seekers.

How do Labours ideas decrease the possibility of those who enter the UK illegally, or enter legally and stay here illegally remaining in the UK?

 

Don't forget the categorial promises during the election campaign and manifesto by the Labour party that taxes in the UK would not go up.

We're now being told to brace for austerity, and that the coming budget will be painful, just for a change. Austerity was a policy that the Labour Party derided the Tories for, but it was sensible and necessary at the time.

So it's ok to fritter millions of public money away on pay rises for already relatively wealthy train drivers, but they'll rob OAPs of their Winter Fuel Allowance. We also have an astronomical and getting bigger all the time illegals bill to pay, a still growing public sector and Civil Service who still get final salary pensions which have to be paid for by the tax payer, and the Govt have still not asked the question to the general population as to what were the riots and social unrest were about because they don't want to listen.

We've just ended up with essentially loads of political prisoners, and the fact that real criminals will soon be free and walking the streets again, whilst posting a meme on Social Media can get you jailed for a couple of years.

It's not exactly a great look or a great start !! it's Communism under a western name.

 

Surely a lawyers job is to argue the case, right or wrong, whether they agree with it or not. even known criminals are allowed lawyers to argue their case. It sounds like he was a pretty’s decent lawyer.

 

There were massive issues left by the last Tory government, who you happily supported at the time. They were in power 14 years, yet you are critical of this government after weeks in power. Get some perspective ffs

 

I have never voted Tory. I have never been a supporter.

I previously pointed out the issue with the previous Government i.e. Taking back control v record net migration and record illegal immigration. The Tories were liars, a point I stressed.

Now Labour. Perspective is assessing and studying a situation in a reasonable manner. We can reasonably consider and study what Labour has done, and what actions it intends to take.

You are being asked how do Labours actions work. Where is your perspective?

How will Yvette Coopers plan to deport 14,000 in the next six months work? This will not even remove the back log of asylum seeking applicants from last year, and does not touch the estimated 1.2 million illegal migrants here. Yvette Coopers plan will INCREASE immigration and the back log of asylum seekers.

How do Labours ideas decrease the possibility of those who enter the UK illegally, or enter legally and stay here illegally remaining in the UK?

 

Sorry Wiz I'm not having it.

Strong opinions, if mine is different he call me not bright. He doesn't know me but happy when cornered to throw insults.

So Ashton, we're all bar Wiz, waiting.

 

I was very very critical of the last Government including the Johnson years
Now I’m being critical of this Government
No difference at all, and it used to be a free country before the authoritarians got in.

 

The reason I said you weren’t bright, was because you said about me; “he hasn’t got a clue” and said my attempts to cool things was “a purine attempt at humour”,

I always try to attack the post and not the person, but if you attack me personally, don’t be surprised if I reply in like. Especially bearing in mind I was trying to defuse the situation.

 

This is the post where you attacked me, I speak as I’m spoken to, more than happy to criticise the post, not the poster, providing the same respect is shown to me.

 

whats yours? thats what you are being asked.

the tories were ****es to be distrusted and labour are going some as speed to be worse. some feat this.

 

We’re all entitled to our opinion, you have yours, I have mine. Best we leave it at that.

 

Ashton
We're waiting.

 

look him up.. in depth and you will see the real "truth!" of some of his earlier years especially when in CPS!

NOTE
When chatting to a QC regarding defence and prosecution [ had to wait for replies to be typed up etc to bring back to Bristol or deliver elsewhere ] this QC USED TO BE A DEFENCE LAWYER. now a prosecution one, he said he got fed up with the unjustice of having to back liars and argue their case although they were guilty!
I am guessing as a prosecutor you have to be very wary of the defence knowing his client is guilty or trying it on and waiting for the moment an i is not dotted or a t not crossed!
But the case in Q is not a jury case? but simply a case that is suing the .gov for a "loophole"

 

cough cough! dont look back!