Stand out wet weather drive for me is Kamui Kobayashi in Canada. In wet conditions, he was able to frighten the leaders, and hold down a convincing podium position, in a car that had no business being anywhere near the podium. Of course, it eventually stopped raining, and his ability was then let down by a poor car...
yep all down to the car that race -- the ferrari"s were poor all season in the wet , costa worked hard in the last few races trying to resolve the problem - as for hamilton , we all saw how good he was in the wet in 09 when the back was not superglued to the track -- lets have it right button has also got his number when it rains as well -
Hamiltons obviously had some standout wet drives, of which several have been named in this thread. You can say it was down to this or that but at the day he put the performance in. Vettel is pretty handy in the wet, I'd like to see a few more wet drives from him, not because I don't think he's good in the wet, just because we sometimes forget how new he is to all this. Button seems the master of mixed conditions that much is clear in current times but in full wet I believe he's perhaps a bit behind Vettel and Hamilton Alonso seems to be getting written off a bit in this thread but I think he's not a million miles behind the others in this area. Then theres been some good drives from various others, Kyle above has an example for Kobi So no stand outs, just several good wet drivers.
Do you have technical proof that it was down to the Ferrari's not coping with a bit of water and not just the drivers being lead-footed monkeys?
do you have proof it was"nt --- as i said i think we can safely say button has hamiltons number in the wet which makes me wonder how good hamilton actually is in the wet --
Button-Hamilton is the gray area. Button wins in mixed conditions, Hamilton has the edge in full wet conditions.
Exactly, and theres always the possibility that a opinion doesn't match up with the actual situation. When you have two opposing opinions then unfortunately one has a high chance of being that one. For example you say Button has Hamiltons number in the wet, but whilst I believe Button edges it in changing conditions Hamilton is generally better in full wet.
we have not had a full wet race for some time now - closest we came to it was canada this year - ------- hamilton did not look too clever in that one -
He took himself out whilst trying to overtake Button in the rain, so he had the pace there. If you roll it back to Korea 2010 Button was about 1m:15s behind Hamilton. You can't use one race as a rule.
Canada was very mixed. Full wets then inters, back to full wets. Straight to slick. Madness. It was Buttons incredible pace as the track was drying (but not dry) that won him the race. Nobody can tell me the mclaren was seconds a lap faster than Vettel and Webber. At the start when it was wetter Button was struggling and although Hamilton crashed (3 times?) He was alot quicker when the wasn't that issue of other cars.
not sure about buttons pace at canada -- think you will find it was the multiple introduction of the safety car , just from memory was it six times in was introduced , that won it for button --
Half of them were caused by incidents Button was in (and lost out in, even in the hamilton collision he needed a pitstop)! If it wasn't for the cause of those saftey cars Button would never have been so far back. Besides the pace im talking about was at the end. When he's 6 seconds (or something like that) behind Vettel with 8 laps to go and two cars inbetween them and he wins the race. You cant deny that was serious pace.
despite why the safety car came out , it still came out and was nothing more than a manufactured unfair disadvantage for vettel every time it came out ,and vettel was the loser every time it came out - do you seriously think without the safety cars anybody let alone button would have got remotely close to vettel that race -
