Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

Remind me, how many made it across under the Tory government, of which there were many leaders, and not one of them kept their election promises to reduce immigration, I really don’t think they’re in a position to criticise, do you ??

 

Releasing criminals that are nearing the end of their sentences, to replace them with other criminals just starting theirs, hardly a controversial policy is it.

 

Not saying it’s just Labour
But mark my words the numbers will be higher under a Government with no deterrent who like letting any Tom. Dick or Harry

 

Other than Rwanda, which was never going to work, and even if we did send some there the proposed numbers were never high enough to make a difference what was the Tories solution? , it wouldn’t work, as for Farage the guys a nutcase, his solution is blockade Britain, completely bonkers. Not saying Labours will work either, but it’s going in the right direction. It’s not just a problem for us, the solution will be some agreement with our neighbours, not using the Navy to try to force things.

 

You are not understanding what will occur. Criminals will not be released from prison nearing the end of their sentences. The release point will be changed to serving 40% of the sentence.

 

We all know that the situation is totally out of control and the influx of these illegals is totally unsustainable and has been for years
Dispersing them into local communities is simply going to inflame matters
Labour and the Tories have utterly betrayed the population with immigration so it’s hardly surprising that Nigel Farage is popular and becoming increasingly so
He says things that millions upon millions of people want to hear and they are things that Labour and the Tories shy away from
This needs addressing as a matter of national urgency, and everyone knows it

 

We’ve lived in a society where money is valued more than life anyway.
You get 10 years for nicking money but the killers of Baby P got barely more than 2 each.

 

You and others keep referencing that Farage represents how the country feels, he really doesnt. I think it’s due to social media algorithms, the ones that draw like minded people and articles together, giving you a sense that everyone agrees with you.
When there were riots a couple of weeks ago did you not see how once people got wind of where the next one was going to take place thousands of anti racist peaceful demonstrators turned up, stopping the riots from taking hold, even the police commented about the calming affect these had. Most decent people are much more reasonable than you think. Farages ratings also dropped.

 

go back to 2010 or before and I was a very strong advocate of PR [ were you on here then? ]


AND BCRW I totally agree with your comment, about 10-12,000,000 didnt vote! but not quite in the same vein as PR because PR needs more than just a yes or no [ 3 or more choices! ]. Also the turnout for the brexit vote was 34,000,000 or very close [ 8,000,000 didnt ] I think eligible voters [ around 42 million? ]
the 2024 GE's [ 48,000,000?] and 2nd lowest % turnout [ ever? ! ] only about 28,800,000 voted about 19,000,000 didnt

BREXIT HAD A MAJORITY OF MORE THAN 1 !

 

keep up the planes were scheduled for after the 4th July AND the people being deported to Rwanda WERE BEING KEPT IN READINESS ... They had to go back into the systemwhen Labour cancelled the flights

 

Did you see the 100 protests nation wide organised by the pink fairies?

 

I don’t know about social media because aside from this forum, I don’t use it
The fact remains that the people of Europe are sick of migrants and having their way of life affected, while the governments of each country have ignored the problem over the years
It’ was only tactical voting that kept Le Pen at bay in France recently while Poland, Denmark, Sweden and others are changing their laws to address the issues they’ve faced since multiculturalism was forced upon them

So it’s only now that some countries are finally getting tough on the problem they’ve created at long last and are doing something tangible about it

Except for us of course ! Smash The Gangs ? Yeah that’ll work, the way it worked for the Tories
We live in a world of technical marvels, when they work, yet we can’t collectively stop massive dinghies being sold to the people smugglers in northern France ? Do me a favour, there is no incentive for the intelligence services to do so. Too many people encourage the invasion

Take away all the financial incentive to travel through many safe countries to get here, and the problem disappears overnight, but no, we don’t

 

The small boat problem needs addressing I agree, but I disagree to do so is as straight forward as you suggest, most illegal immigrants do indeed stop in other European countries rather than coming to the UK. The % that come here is relatively small. The majority of our immigration figure are legal ones, something like 96%. There is no reason now that we can’t stop it if we wanted to. The fact that successive governments haven’t shows that they are needed.

The recent riots where in many cases ethnic minorities that are peaceful and often have been born here were targeted were disgraceful, however it was pleasing to see in many cases how normal people stood up and did peaceful demonstrations to stop it.

We have recently had a GE, we have to respect the result and allow the new Government the chance to try their solutions. That’s democracy.

 

Again you don’t address the issue, I said despite that the planes wouldn’t go. So are you going to address the point I raised, or once again waffle and bluster, no wonder you like Boris

 

So you have form, that’s interesting. Before 2010, the last time Labour were in power, you were in favour of PR , then you have a 14 year gap, (when Tory’s are in power), then Labour win and guess what, you suddenly become an advocate for PR. I think there’s a trend developing here

 

As Starmers approval ratings continue to plummet he would perhaps do well to listen to what the people actually want from a UK Government, not dismiss it like the previous regime did

And that’s to secure our borders and thoroughly vet ANYBODY coming here who has destroyed their passport and ID on the way, so we don’t know who we’re giving carte blanch asylum to just in order to clear the backlog rather than sending them back to France.

it’s madness

 

what on earth is this post about. Are you saying farage was organising riots???

Have you kept saying Farage represents how all the Country feels??

 

No to your first question, in answer to your second I was talking in general about posts on here, Angel knew what I meant, I was replying to his post. you need to understand the context of my post.

 

No
It's how I feel and I know I'm not alone.

 

yep you get solace in the weakness of your reply by adding laughing emoji's...........
PR does not just apply to a GE.... however when it has been brought up by anyone I respond .... I do not actually bring it up in the first instance ... someone on here did for this GE RESULT...I merely go by what is fair and correct [ if I can get enough info ] .... PR will always be fair way to decide unless it is a 2 horse race

Labour is reported to have increased its vote by 1.7?% [ of those that voted but less votes actual ] since last election and that is extremely poor as {most of] that was in Scotland taking SNP seats reality being their ENGLISH number of voters were stagnant or less. over 6,000,000 tory voters are "guilty" of staying at home voting Reform & and a few likely Libdems, & WOULDNT VOTE FOR ANY PARTY!...... was the last GE a fair representation of the UK'S choice of .GOV... IMHO ....NO

note
2019 67% [ 32m ] VOTED out of [about 1,000,000 less eligible than 2024 ] @ 47?,000,000 as opposed to 2024 48?,000,000
It meant that in 2019 14,000,000 [ very close to ] gave Tories 365 seats .... & 10,308,000 gave Labour 203 seats with 9,709,0000 in 2024 giving them 411