Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

What I do know is the disputes have been going of for ages, have already cost of £millions and according to Rishi, in the case of the junior doctor has prevented us from bringing the waiting list down. As I keep saying but for some reason you won’t listen, there is a cost, both monetary, and socially of not ending the disputes and strikes. It’s part of the reason as a society everything is broken.

 

I see it more as the horses are now pulling together, before they were all pulling in different directions, and we were getting nowhere.

 

wrong I do listen, and read and digest .......

junior doctors wanted 25+% and that was the stumbling block They settled or are voting on something like 12-15% over 2 year period 22/23? - 23-24 [ might be 23/24 24/25 ]-

ah so pre meditated ...... we give you the money for a GE TO settle the disputes and you fall in line with us! ............. or else! we do as we did wirth last .gov and demand more!

 

You say you listen and digest, and prove it by not dealing with the point I was suggesting you don’t listen to , …. Which is(I will say it again for clarity) . There is a cost to NOT agreeing a deal, which you never factor in. You keep asking how are we going to pay for the deal that’s been struck, but never even acknowledge that failing to come to an agreement has costs as well.

The figures you quote for junior doctors show they’re willing to negotiate as they are obviously less than what they initially wanted, I thought personally they’d asked for 34% , but I’ll go along with your figures for the sake of argument. So if they’re now considering considerably less, why were the previous government unable to get a similar deal done? . I suggest because they were unable to compromise, in a negotiation BOTH sides HAVE to compromise.

 

ASLEF's Mick Whelan did not give 1 inch, he joyfully proclaimed a 'no strings deal' landing £69k and a 4 day week.

I wonder which paymaster will lean on Cave in Keir next.

 

THAT COST you keep on harping about is lesser financial than actually being disruptive. To negate that cost say as the junior doctors started off at ..at 30% [ circa ] given 2 years ago would be subject to an "annual/ regular review / etc " it is now down to less than 12% of what they struck over..[ blackmailed!? ] you didnt actually suss that out .....

clarity... [per] 2022/2023 ...... £10,000 @ 30% = £13,000 then just a 5% rise annually = 2023/2024 = 13,650 ....2024/2025 4% =£14,200 etc etc
negotiated to now ...£10,000 @ 5% = £10500 / 11,025 /11,500 so were say on £40,000 = now £46,000 rather than £52,000.... [ bear in mind workings out is pro rata per £10,000 ]

the cost is 000's of missed operations/ doctor attendances ... bear in min also this was a well laid out plan to maximise the hurt by the unions by having each grouping striking on different days for different times!!!!!
ASLEF had strikes days apart so chaos was amplified because trains ended up out of sync: so a 3 day strike was 3 days plus a day maybe 2 to get trains back in order then a few days of "normality" before repeat!.......... amazing doctors and Aself within a month have capitulated to a more normal pay demand.....the trouble with puppets being played by the puppeteers!

 

boat arrivals since Kamikaze took on the mantle .... now at 5,492 .... cost for a year = £190,000,000 on top of what inherited, which is a couple £bn which they had no plans to help stop and still havent

 

You really don’t understand negotiations, the figure you quote of 30% was an opening gambit( for want of a better word), proper negotiation would bring that down, now there’s been negotiations we can see what the unions would have accepted. As you rightly say it took weeks once proper negotiations took place, now calculate how much has been lost in both financial and disruptive terms had proper negotiations taken place years ago. THATS COST IS DOWN TO HAVING A TORY GOVERNMENT, that weren’t prepared to negotiate properly

 

Starmer nobody like him -you won't him gone get signing people-

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We have a way to get rid of him, it’s called a General Election, you’ll get another chance in 4 years time. It’s called Democracy

 

GET REAL it was on the table for well over a year, the negotiation was we want 30% [ even as high as 35% was mentioned! ] . gov said we cannot afford that and offered pretty much what has been accepted now, [ less working conditions ] what has been accepted now also allows for the work practices of restarting breaks etc if any one interupted them etc which was costing £'s on top of the wage they were paying out [ it enhanced the OT amount ] ... so imagine each aslef gets 1 hour extra OT PER WEEK ... 50 HOURS A YEAR! based on basic hourly of £30ph = £45 x 52 = another £2500 pa or around another 4% on top! SELL OUT BY PRESENT .GOV PUPPETS

 

TRUE DEMOCRACY is everyone votes and the majority of people saying yes wins ..... when for whatever reason 40% of the people do not vote it is not a true figure.
650 constituencies none of which are equal population wise and some are just a handful of square miles in size others 100's of square miles
boundary people try and juggle the boundaries each x number of years ...

the people should vote for the .gov .......... not the concentrated numbers in small areas where needs are vastly different... how to sort it? .... needs a thinker outside of the box PR in some form

 

Labour now broke the prison system??? ..well having to remove prisoners from prison to put more in, the bill for the near 500 or more they are putting prison is going to cost around £20m

historically offenders [ cautioned with suspended sentences ] of riots or protests dont do it again the next riots protests will see different people doing as the present ones have ...when the silt settles and water becomes clear again then the truth about why certain aspects of the protests were in the front [ not the sad death's of the Southport girls ] the immigration thing/ palestinian/ etc it will no doubt happen again....

problem this time round under Labour ...... "THERE IS NO PLAN TO STOP THE BOATS" ! SO hence the protests, under tory rule whether it was costing money to send a few to Rwanda it was a deterrent...interviews with those in France showed a lot were wary of making the journey and likely wouldnt ... interviews now show massive inceases of numbers queing to cross over especially believing there is free tickets for them that do

 

Well done JGF.
‘TRUE DEMOCRACY is everyone votes and the majority of people saying yes wins ..... when for whatever reason40% of the people do not vote it is not a true figure.’

You have just summed up brilliantly why Brexit should never have been implemented.

I personally think that voting should be compulsory - with a fine if you don’t - and a ‘none of the above’ option.

 

Illegals in Calais were just waiting for a Labour government
Now they know they’ll never be sent back and there will be millions more before Starmer gets his marching orders

 

Emptying prisons of criminals to put social media criminals in-you cannot make it up -we have a clown pm with a clown party running this country.

 

Funny you’ve never mentioned this before, the Lib Dem’s have wanted it for decades, never seen you say this when Boris won, when Tory leaders were put in place by a few Tory MP’s, we didn’t even have a General Election when Liz Truss, or Rishi became PM, not a peep from you about PR then , so forgive me if I consider your calls for it now as hypocritical

 

And this from someone who backed Farage, you can’t make it up!!!

 

So you’re saying they asked for 35%, with no conditions, Gov offered much lower % but with conditions, the agreed deal is much smaller %, but no conditions, that’s the definition of negotiations, union accepts lower % than they ask for, Government Conceed and agree not to implement conditions. both sides give a bit.

 

It’s not worth discussing the prison System if you’re seriously suggesting labour has broken it, It is on its knees due to the incompetence of the previous government.

As for Rwanda, even if it had passed all the hurdles (which it was never going to), and we did actually get to send people there the planned numbers wouldn’t have been anywhere near high enough to become a deterrent. 200 per year, your own figures show what a ridiculously low figure that is. Considering the number of illegals already waiting for processing, plus the numbers which again you’ve provided of how many more are being added per month, it wouldn’t even begin to make a dent, and future illegals wouldn’t be put off either.

i don’t know what you’re on, but I suggest a lie down and a serious self reflection of your sanity.