No, I think you’re scared of pointing out that it’s a two way street. You were all quick to have a meltdown when the riots started but now it’s gone very quiet because the MDL have started rioting, stabbing people, battering randomers and smashing up pubs. You all made more of a scene because some daft c*nt pushed a bin into the police in Sunderland than you have over people being stabbed or battered with weapons. A woman, who was totally in the wrong by the way and is a ****ing pleb, having her door put through and arrested for pushing a bin down the street - yet those carrying knives, bats and cosh’ are asked to simply put them away. If that’s not two-tier policing then you’re beyond help. This is only going to get worse because of people like you refusing to condemn one side and making every excuse under the sun whilst labelling the other side. The calls for Starmer to resign are already deafening after his one sided speech. If me refusing to take sides makes me a thin veiled racist that’s fine, I’d rather be labelled that for speaking the truth than a coward who buries my head.
Except it wasn’t just that was it ? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sunderland-rioters-throw-rocks-filipino-33391948?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0pFritGR8PNM2HOX9dqBk7RlhCQYI58xIYhnG9-6mO38FO2CMeb87lKOg_aem_uQwosFt9lY2C3H6SM7lxGQ Don’t minimise our reaction to this daft lass because you know full well people are marching out, getting their kicks rioting and destroying cities all the while shouting p&ki out. As for refusing to take sides, you already have taken a side mate
No idea why you’ve sent me a link to what’s on in Sunderland I can’t see anything there I don’t have Facebook. I didn’t say people weren’t getting their kicks marching out and destroying the city. It’s embarrassing. But it’s even more embarrassing to sit here and label one set of rioters as right wing, racist, scumbags, all jobless etc etc and justify the other set who are doing the same thing as just reactionary. They’re all tramps looking for kicks. So because a man was chopped up with a machete in middlesborough and several more jumped on by the MDL then it’ll only be reactionary when the inevitable happens and Muslim men start getting battered for no reason? Then tit for tat starts and there’s no end.
Just look at the comments and reposts, from men and women of ALL backgrounds. Labour have totally ****ed it already that’s why their supporters have gone silent. The reaction has been nothing short of shambles and they’ve just thrown fuel on the fire time and time again then looked to blame the MSM for spreading misinformation. There’s nothing to misunderstand about this response to shocking scenes on national TV.
Some people are trying hard to appear otherwise ... ... buy they're absolutely loving this. Pointless trying to reason with them, they just want to keep ramping things up. Once someone becomes hysterical they're best left alone until they blow themselves out in my experience.
You take offence at someone asking if you’ve had a drink when you post bizarre comments but it’s fine for you to portray the opinions of others.. come on mate. No hysteria here just find it laughable that there was so much noise a few days ago and now the boot is on the other foot it’s gone very quiet. It’s almost as if some people LOVE bashing the working class white but can’t bring themselves to say a bad word about someone of colour. Maybe a weird superiority complex because they think they’re better than working class people. Anyway on a different note it’s nice to see the beautiful arrangement down at Southport where the victims are finally getting the respect they deserve.
That's not what was said, you've changed it to try to appear more reasonable. I was being polite and making perfectly reasonable points imo ... ... at which point it was suggested I was either senile or drunk as a counter argument. "have you actually lost the plot or just had a skinful?" You compared these riots to 9/11 and I only said it was two entirely different things imo. "9/11 was fine they were just doing what anyone would do then " I wasn't even referring to you just then, just people in general on here and elsewhere ... ... you just picked up the cap to see if it fits. I'm having my coffee, watching the coverage on Breakfast News and posted my reaction, my first post today. If you choose to believe you're the one person I'm saying is hysterical that's your issue, not mine.
It's a real shame the violence has spilled out of control and retaliating is the order of the day. Calm on both sides needed and the government need to intervene to reset the tensions.
I've seen two things come out of this that are both worrying. 1. The government has been extremely weak from the start of these riots and don't realise that most of the country laugh at them when they voice the slogan "they will feel the full force of the law" Our judicial system is pathetic, not fit for purpose and needs to be urgently reviewed IMO. 2. Our police forces appear weak and afraid to engage these violent thugs on our streets. The whole world is seeing for themselves that our policing methods are inept, due to no fault of their own. Human rights laws, fear of legal action against police officers, poor decision making by the Home Secretary and senior police officers, and most importantly, inadequate numbers of police officers are all making the police appear inadequate and almost cowardly in appearance as they stand off, rather than engage these idiots. I know some will say that engaging will only make things worse, but you won't see other police forces around the world stand there and take it.
It's possible you're wrong there tbf, although I'm not sure of the percentages. But surely every criminal they should be told they'll be held responsible for their actions ... ... some have already been jailed so they've felt the force of law and order. I don't think it's such a terrible thing to say tbh.
Can’t comment on others but where I am now I have a Glock with 30 rounds, Taser, extendable baton and CS spray. We are also double crewed. I know when I was doing it in the UK I was always single crewed and when I first started had a wooden truncheon which we kept in its own pocket in our trousers. From what I understand senior cops in the UK are reluctant to issue their officers with other force options other than baton and spray due to the big fear of litigation should something happen. Ironically my old force in the UK did let officers carry taser but it was individual discretion and some didn’t due to that same fear that senior officers wouldn’t have their backs. On a personal note I think that in this day and age I find it a dereliction of responsibility on the part of ACPO that they don’t authorise the mandatory carrying of Taser.
Very interesting, from someone with inside knowledge and experience. I take the long view with things like this tbh. It might sound weak, and risky, but I see it like a toddler having a tantrum on a supermarket floor. Pick it up, shout at it, try to calm it down and it just makes things worse ... ... leave it to scream, it will blow itself out, everyone will think it's pathetic and they'll end up feeling stupid. These rioters may have had some initial support for their cause, from onlookers, but they're rapidly losing that imo. Having thought about it using increasing force would just keep ramping things up. A mob of 400 people surrounding a handful of police, cowering behind sheets of plastic, will make many most reasonable people look at them with disgust. They can call it 'two tier policing', until they're blue in the face, but no decent person can expect them to stand aside and let innocent people be dragged out of cars and buildings to be beaten or killed ... ... how would that look to the rest of the world?
I see it more as protection. It’s a cliche but I don’t go to work to get the **** kicked out of me although I do it in the knowledge that it could happen. I have a right to go home to my family at the end of my shift just as everyone else does. What we are taught here is that we meet deadly force with deadly force. That may explain why we don’t have the disturbances here seen in the UK. The public here realise that they will likely come off second best. For example if someone runs at me with a knife I get my gun out. Thing is I probably sound like a stuck record but I was getting fed up with being a cop in the UK as senior officers there were so risk averse. As a result frontline officers such as myself were always second guessing our actions. That tended to empower those who saw us as weak. We weren’t as wary of them as we were of those above us. We are there to keep the peace and investigate crime. Unfortunately for some that is secondary to getting promoted and kowtowing to pressure groups and individual political will.
That's all fair but there's a flip side as we often see in the US. Officers know their commanders will back them up and disciplinary panels regularly excuse them. That actually creates the massive riots instead of quelling them. Anyway, late for work mate, take it easy and don't shoot the messenger
It’s a disgrace. Can you imagine going out there dealing with these arseholes with nothing but a faceshield for £30k a year?
It’s interesting to read the conversation between you and @Smug in Boots, both with experience in managing disturbances. I completely agree about the right of police officers, and other front line services, to be protected as much as possible carrying out their job. I also understand your experience of risk adverse managers, but I do think that that has been forced on them by policy.. Also speaking from experience, my take on the situation is that civil disturbance needs to be contained until it runs its course, intervention at the early stage is dangerous and irresponsible. Those police and emergency service responders need to go home to their families in one piece. Even rioters need to sleep and eat, and that natural break provides the opportunity for the police to act on the evidence they have gathered. Once that opportunity arises the police will respond to the evidence they have gathered, make arrests and put people before the courts. Some evidence presents itself readily and other evidence will need to be gathered and assessed before arrests are made but arrests will be made and prosecutions secured over the coming months. In my opinion, the government are doing a reasonable job at the moment, but it’s impossible to judge during the initial melee of civil disturbance, the plan will be to contain it at this stage and prepare for the next stage. The management of any incident can only be judged once it has been resolved. Anyone who thinks Starmer or anyone else is going to mount their white charger and ride into the mob is mistaken, John Rambo only exists in Hollywood. What he is doing is using the media to dissuade escalation, ensuring that resources are available to contain the disturbances and that the courts are sitting and prepared to deal with those brought before them. Remanding the initial perpetrators in custody will send the correct message and eventually it will get through to anyone thinking of joining in. It will be interesting to see whether the sentences awarded will act as a deterrent. What makes this situation more difficult is the underlying issues, which need to be addressed following resolution of the disturbances. Blaming this government for the underlying situation is wrong, they have been in power for 33 days for goodness sake. The issues have been in the background since Oswald Mosley’s black shirts in the 1930’s. Starmer et al will be judged on how they respond over the next five years to the issues that are prevalent in society.
