Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

Exactly.
It’s been fuelled by misinformation - allegedly by Russians …


Britain's riot carnage deepens: Police hurt as violence rages


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they aint got a clue what to do! never had a plan before July 4th and even less of one now!...3457 SINCE 5TH JULY

 

Bristol

 

This is mindless thuggery fueled by misinformation designed for idiots to lap up.
Yes, there is an immigration crisis - but to blame the Starmer gov for it after 1 month is plain silly - migration policies have been failing for over 20 years and whichever government is to blame there is no excuse for any rioting or racial attacks.
All it will do is cost the taxpayers yet more money, so yet more tax rises to pay for the cleanup and to house a few of them in prison.

 

They are all to blame, but mainly the Blair Government for introducing such a frankly idiotic policy
The bloke should be in jail for taking us into the Iraq war and for this situation
He’s pure evil
And as we can already see, Labour won’t need much of an excuse to raise taxes !
I don’t think Starmer has been great so far either

 

none of Kamikaze's CABINET has actually done or come up with anything positive especially rattlesnake Rachael who could actually take us back into a recession far worse than the mini one [ lasted 3 month's or ago according to financial institutions at start of the last 12 -18 months ] this would be totally catastrophobic ... as Labour have no real plans to deal with handling that and actually improving the economy!

note .... .2010 Labour leaves a disasterous economy and <?£trn debt's .............. tories sorted in 8 years with " austerity" which formed a part of the root ailments of the present [ 2022 onwards ] The past 12 18 month's having seen massive strides to sorting and stabilization. [BOE / financial/ fiscal departments]
July 4th 2024 Rattlesnake takes over as chancellor. WITH an economy growing / Interest rates falling & inflation back to 2% and states there is a £20bn problem in the next years finances!

note ... £20,000,000,000 v £900,000,000,000 thats only 880,000,000,000 or o. 22% ... [ for context............. if you earned £2000.00 per month and took a pay drop of 0.22% that would be just [ £4.40p ] 15p a day 28 days per month worked ]

ALREADY with cancellations of projects she has put 1000's on the dole / heap and and now having to find, after just 1 month in office accomodation for 3457+ illegals having arrived in past 27 days! ..... off with her head!!!

 

????
Aren't these 'idiots' protesting against illegals who broke the law getting here.

 

SPOT ON RP ........ however! .......
leaving out whether the boat crossings are of any "singular denomination..." or they have "nike" trainers "t o r" mobile phones they keep topped up and have paid £000's to get from their country of birth to criminal gangs and sponged off of numerous people in the countries they pass through they are here illegally and they are the subject of the riots and protests.

Weird how for the past 14 years the past has been the tunnel vision of the labour party, were/are and choose to be blind [ like a few on here ] of 3 major events pre 2010 /post 2011 and post 2019.
LABOUR CONSTANTLY, ALMOST every PMQ's MENTIONED "last 14 years call a GE" RS did they got their come uppance.....They CONSTANTLY blamed the boats and numbers on the previous.GOV... !!!

NOW FOR THE MORAL OF THE EVENT's ... British people are rather conservative [ not party ] in their ways and dont like "getting involved" ...unless!

The GE [didnt matter if Labour got a 20 30 or 40 seat majority most / a lot certainly 9,000,000 from previous, people said let them get on with it ..... Boat crossings same effect they said get on with it put your plan in action you are the now the .GOV!! ... [[ Q.... what plan? ] AND NOW THE BRITISH STIFF upper lip has broken through ....enough is enough and a rather to late rebellion is / has taken place because they feel lied to / conned have seen the first month of the latest Labour political party reincarnation and it is like icecream in the desert!

 

Your views are very biased, basically Labour messed up (although you apparently voted for them, once at least). and left the Tories who essentially chose austerity for 8 years, that would have worked had it not been for COVID, then Putin invaded Ukrain, then the unions then were to blame, and that’s why we’re in the state we are today, putting no blame whatsoever for the mess at the Tories, regardless of the fact they’ve been in power for the last 14 years , yet you blame the present Labour government for not having any answers, despite the fact they’ve only been in power a few weeks, do you realise how one sided those views are ??

 

No.
They reacted to the fake news that the murder of children in Southport was carried out by an illegal Muslim immigrant who arrived on one of the small people-smuggler boats, when in fact it turned out he was a home-grown Christian from Cardiff - but it’s too late - the fake news did its job - it was even regurgitated earlier in this thread as ‘fact’.
‘Protesting’ - that’s a laugh. Dragging people out of their cars, beating them and smashing up their car because of the colour of their skin, burning libraries, attacking hotels and hurling bottles and bricks at police is stretching the definition of ‘protesting’.

 

It's more to do with folk fed up of our leaders who've allowed uncontrolled immigration.
It's beyond comprehension we allowed last year 745,000 legal immigrants, let alone the 50,000 who come in illegally on boats and lorries.

I lay these riots at our woke politicians door fair and square.

Looking on the box at the riots, fighting and blood being spilled sadly reminded me of the incredibly divisive Powell speech 50years ago.

 

Looking at the increasing insanity of the last few months I wonder if we are seeing the new normal. A fractured less cohesive society.

 

Our society is broken
Lack of respect and discipline at home and in schools are partly responsible
Add in 2 tier policing, 2 tier justice system and 2 tier Government all of which favours minorities over the majority and this is one of the outcomes

 

There isn’t two tier policing, protest are fine, part of our tradition, shows a vibrant and confident society, riots aren’t protests, they are just riots.

The majority of people aren’t either anti immigrant , or racist, an increasingly vocal minority are, there’s a big difference,

 

Even Sunak has criticised members of the shadow cabinet for blaming Labour, you’re normally a very sensible poster. There is never any excuse for riots, end of.
As a nation we have to call these idiots out, not make excuses for them.

 

RedPrint says
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Aren't these 'idiots' protesting against illegals who broke the law getting here.?

answer

THE ANSWER IS YES and NO... it seems the MAJORITY, if you care to read beyond the headlines are protesting on the boat arrivals ... there is an element that are anti muslim BUT there are gangs that are intent on attacking " protesters" it is all in the news feeds... just read it........ One group shouted "Allahu Akbar" at anti-immigration demonstrators. its not just in one place either!
WHY ATTACK THE HOTELS well Yvette promised them all free tickets and that is unfair when hard working people have to pay for them most are total scroungers / spongers and deserted their home countries instead of working there to improve them!

 

There must be something I am missing with the laugh emoji's? usually it is for something funny or but can be used a a deflection when your argument is weak or incomplete or not understood? you misinterpret "views " as factsual happenings. BIASED as failure to see both sides, but the factual bits are as they were so not biased! [started with 3 emoji's in case you need them? ]
You also then state agreement that " ... austerity for 8 years, that would have worked had it not been for COVID, then Putin invaded Ukrain,"

note.. the latter caused the energy crisis that then .gov spent £bn's on to help every household!

the unions ..OK tell me, has /did the unions calling members out in the key National Health Service departments over staggered times have an effect or no effect on the ques waiting for, at the time ambulances, / treatment/ operations? A strategic plan to maximise chaos... take away the doctors so no operations [or less ] Take away the radiologists so info for doctors so operations [ or less ] take away the nurses so cover in in operating theatres so no operations [ or less ] follow the drift yet? take away any part of the "team" from ambulance to surgeon or recovery people and the op does not take place. spread these out over 6 months and probably on a couple of months of operations go by the book!

Then that good old chestnut "14 years" ... let me break it down for you again...
1 year or part of to get organised to sort out plan for debt repayment and keep the country on a path to grow the economy and embark on a plan for a period of Austerity
8 years 2011 - 2019 AUSTERITY... debt eradicated ..in black economy growing GE with promises of new hospitals and prosperity
2 years 2020 -2021 Covid almost £1trn spent on keeping us safe and in jobs when it was over
1 year 2022 seriously bad energy crisis with inflation in attendance causing BOE [NOT THE .GOV ] to increase interest rate [ as noted in BOE address this last week an unavoidable ]
1 year 2023 strikes and wage demands causing more harm to inflation and waiting lists and generally higher prices set in shops and for goods
1 year 2024 INFLATION controlled and brought down by some 8 - 9% to 2% interest rates frozen and first reduction due to bouncing economy, which BOE this month said should lead to lower interest rates in next 12 -18 month's [ possibly less than 4%? ] and inflation with present momentum to hit 1.5% or better!

NOTE ... BETWEEN 2021 2022 there was a couple of month's that were chaotic [ again referenced in past by fiscal/ financial /BOE statements as a short blip / plus a very short recession 3 month's or less, which was over quickly ]

 

First comment spot on... Schools .... allow bullies to get a telling off 2 or 3 times a term... and in some cases pupils just walk out of class and take the day off...... NO respect, NO punishment...
2 tiers probably only terminology to describe it Certainly Rattlesnake Rachael is 2 tiered

he didnt actually make a lot of promises he made a lot of unsubstantiated statements on "how I am going to transform politics" ... well lets have proportional rep: then!

If you get caught speeding in a average speed zone on a Monday at 3 am on a empty major A road with no other traffic in sight in dry conditions and your post is delivered by 9 am on the Wednesday you will have a ticket delivered ... thats as close to 24 hours for Speeding WIZ!!! .... but likelihood always there Labour will have 2 policemen out at midnight stop a car for speeding, 47.1 in a 40 zone and choice is pay up now or accompany us to the local 24 hour court ...."the .gov needs your money now! to pay for the local illegal immigrants hotel bill!

 

Starmer is quick to condem the rioters and threatens harsh penalties but a) fails to mention that Muslims are charging Police shouting Ali Akbar and b) why ordinary working class people might have had a gut ful of the way this country has been run and is continuing to be run.

Meanwhile two tier Kier, like a bad Doctor, continues to only look at the symptoms not the root cause and fails to acknowledge it at all

What’s happening is the same that happened i Irish Republic a few months ago. People there have had enough too

The idiots at Just Stop Oil who have caused mayhem and damage for months are not condemned as far left, so why are these rioters far right ? Two tier policing and media at play.

Over the last few years we’ve been told that white people are evil and that we should be forever ashamed of our history while the wrongdoings of other races and ethnicities have been conveniently overlooked

I’m not condoning the disgraceful behaviour but I reckon this has been coming for sometime
We’ve had a change of Government, but nothing has changed for the average person on the street.
People are still not being listened to