Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

Ashton, of course the ones causing violence are thugs.

However immigration, legal and illegal is the cause of this chaos.
Starmer chooses more cooperation within police to stem the violence.
He's happy and content to see asylum seekers happily waving from their hotel windows at these protests.
He could quell these protests in an instant if he and the idiot Cooper admitted the Immigration chaos instead of highlighting thuggery.

What a hope, Starmer and Cooper telling the truth.

 

A mosque was attacked due to false rumours on social media apparently that the killer was a Muslim
Correct, they are thugs but it’s also an illustration of the dissatisfaction at play

 

It was a false rumour, he’s actually from Cardiff and is a Christian, are they now going to attack Churches, no they still attacked a mosque in Sunderland, they are thugs, why are people making excuses for them. Find them and lock them up

 

Then that has to apply to the pro Palestine protestors that cause damage and chant anti Semetic or terror related expressions
This is one of the reasons people are rioting because it’s 2 tier policing

 

Of course it should apply equally, however chanting is different altogether to rioting. Whoever chants should be dealt with appropriately, but rioting is another level.

 

People talk of two tier policing, but what does that mean?, protesters that blocked the M25 by climbing a gantry were jailed for 2 years, so, what penalties are appropriate for people that block roads and throw bricks at police whilst trying to smash up a mosque, and all based on a false social media rumour, also the individuals that deliberately posted those false rumours , knowing full well the impact they’d have, what should their penalty be?.

Although being held in a queue is a pain in the arse, surely it’s not anywhere near as serious as rioting, actual throwing bricks and causing criminal damage. Had they been allowed to get to the mosque I’d dread to think what they’d have done to it, or anyone inside.

 

What's your answer then Ashton.
What's the cause of this unrest and violence ?

 

The ones that throw bricks and cause criminal damage are beyond reasoning with, they are racists who dislike Muslims, they don’t really need a reason, hence since it’s been confirmed the attack wasn’t committed by a Muslim they’ve continued their attacks in other cities. I watched newsnight one night in the week where a guy who in his youth was a member of the National Front, it was interesting. If you get the chance it’ll be on iPlayer.

There are reasonable people as well though, who believe immigrants cause a lot of our problems as a society ( I don’t agree). I believe immigration, as long as it’s controlled is a positive thing, to be encouraged, there has to be a way to find a middle ground, but it won’t be achieved by violence, on either side.

 

Immigrants do cause a lot of problems in our society
They have put massive pressure on local authorities who are faced with finding accommodation for them
Then there is the demand for GP and hospital resources
It’s also thoughts that around 85% of Muslim woman don’t work and claim benefits. Many have children and therefore get social housing
All of these demands on our country make our own standard of living and quality life worse,whether that’s by overcrowded roads, out ability to get appointments or by tax increases to pay for it sll. That’s without British people being unable to get social housing etc etc
I agree that controlled immigration is necessary but all we’ve seen for nearly 30 years is wide open borders and we’ve no idea who is in this country as governments have failed us
It’s believed that the actual population of the UK could be up to 10 million more than the published figure with people working in the black economy
That’s without the political and religious demands of immigrants that are very often at odds with traditional British values held for a thousand years
Multi culturalosm is a badly failed experiment which causes unnecessary hassles and costs us all
And successive governments will also not release details of crimes committed in the UK by nationality
What do they not want us to know ?
It is no surprise people are dissatisfied

 

that all you can say?

 

Being polite, but truthful

 

this is the worst part 0f the illegals ... genuine ones apply through the channels and get integrated as they have something to offer?

Immigration is 2 kinds acceptale not acceptable the acceptable is the ones that apply have something to offer and finish up as a balanced integration the unaceptable are those that so called persecution or are simply band wagon jumpers who join the few "very few" persecuted who get live elsewhere where the country they are in is less modern day dated or subject to simply just still being a while behind improvements like the modern world has strived for.....

There has been posts in media by various "groups" similar to reporting that the prisons in the 60'70'80's were 90-95% of prisoners who had a heritage of parents /grandparents/great grand parents having been born here........ now it seems they are in the minority!

 

I know your view, there is other equally valid views, too busy and not inclined to go in detail, City playing soon, but we’d be lost without them, doctors and hospitals would grind to a halt without immigrant workers for a start. As would many other sectors, why do you think we can’t just stop them coming in. The country would grind to a halt, plus many are born here.

 

I’ve already agreed we need immigration
What we need is people coming here to work, adding to our society and paying their taxes
What we don’t need is people coming here just to leech off of us and demanding that we adapt to their ways and customs - it’s not going to happen !
In Denmark they are banning the Burqua and are telling immigrants to either adjust to Danish culture or face legal consequences or leave the country. Simple, and the right thing to do to establish that they should feel very privileged to be accepted into a safe and democratic country.
When Blair and Merkle opened the borders to millions of people from different cultures they never considered the impact on the respective countries existing populations, nor was there any consideration as to how all these newcomers should be integrated into their new societies and the values they needed to be adopting in order to settle peacefully into their new homelands

up the City !

 

you need to understand the law.. all crimes are in their own boxes even your groupen fuherer Kamikaze will tell you that.

the law is like a book of rules each chapter has crime and punishment and throughout time "the law lords " have written /amended etc various attributes ... new laws come into place hence oil protesters ....new law ... do this or that go to jail.
the law ASHTON, is supposed to be a deterrent break it take the consequence the few at protests held at protests do get charged and suffer the consequence ... be it any protest...keep up!

 

And so say all of us.

BUT, it's not.
Anger and frustration of uncontrolled immigration will grow unless Starmer and Cooper tackle it head on.

 

But they won’t
They might crack down on the current unrest but they won’t address the cause

 

Easier said than done, the last lot tried for years but failed to bring it down. Each election they said they would, but it continued to rise. That’s not the fault of the individuals that came over either. Taking it out on them isn’t the answer.

 

It has started we are at war internally



Two white guys stabbed in Stoke by Muslims



Bristol



British attack Muslims

 

No **** Sherlock!!