Barton in the news

I agree. Fair enough if he thinks it (I disagree personally but can see his point) but to say it a day or two after when people are still grieving and then to be too stubborn because he believes in his 'everyone should have an opinion on anything and everything despite not knowing **** all about it' bullshit is poor

 

He's right, and he's got nothing to apologise for.

As for the 'timing' being wrong - When is there a good time to air your opinions on it?
People commit suicide every day, and people grieve about it every day. Is it only okay to talk about it when the normal 'unimportant' people kill themselves, but not when a celebrity does it?

Barton's got an opinion just like everyone else. The fact that his may differ from your own doesn't mean he's not allowed to express it.

 

Wait till we find out why he did it

 

Doesn't really matter why he did it - The remarks Barton's in "trouble" for are about suicide in general rather than Speed specifically.

Regardless of that, the details of it all may never come out, nor should they be made known to the public. Obviously Sky & Co. will do their best to make sure everyone knows the intimate details though.

 

He may have an opinion on the matter but there's no reason to start posting it on Twitter for the world to see. Gary Speed only died on Sunday and it's a touchy subject anyways, maybes Joey should have just kept that to himself.

And like has been said, we should wait to see why he's done it.

 

1) Does anyone truly care for his opinions on suicide? Like truly? Or just so they can talk about Barton?
2) Although talking about his views on suicide might bring up bad memories for a few, it's a lot, lot more likely to upset more people immediately after a much-loved public figure - more people, more hurt.
3) Should he be airing his views so publicly despite not knowing Speed enough to know what potential grieving/depression he was going through?

 

Apparently some do, judging by the responses here and elsewhere. Even if they didn't care, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to express them.

Not really his fault that some people are deluded enough to think they've lost something when a celebrity dies.

Why shouldn't he? The public has given him a place for him to air his views, why is it wrong to do so? If he'd been posting jokes about it or something then maybe you'd have a point, but all he was doing was expressing a perfectly valid opinion on the subject.

 

It's quite clear to see he was not talking about suicide in general, but directly about Gary Speed (the man who triggered his comment). It could be seen by many (rightly or wrongly) as a direct insult to Gary and he should accept that is how it would be seen by many. He 'may not give a ****' but sometimes, ****s must be given.

 

To say suicide is selfish is a cop out imo. People need to consider the fact that suicide is the absolute last resort for any human being and you have to be in a very dark place to even consider it. Many sufferers of depression and people with suicidal tendancies often feel the world is a better place without them or their loved ones would be better off, such is the mindset of someone who's sunk so low.

Taking one's own life goes against every instinct in the human mind and for that very reason is as selfless as it is selfish.

Barton of course is entitled to his opinion but to broadcast it publicly, as a high profile individual at least, is insensitive and bordering on pig ignorant. The right for Gary's loved one's to grieve in peace is more important right now than Joey Barton's right to freedom of speech.

 

Then blame the press for making it such an event. They've been exploiting the whole thing (as they do with every celebrity death or tragedy). They deserve far more criticism than Barton does.
It's not like he was standing outside their windows and shouting out what he thought about it. It's the press that have made this into a big deal. Speed's family would most likely never have read it if Sky hadn't made this into a story.

Why has it become such a taboo for anyone, famous or not, to express an actual opinion on something? Are people really that afraid of any actual discussion ever taking place about serious issues?
If you people had your way then the most serious discussions that ever took place would be about ****ing X-Factor or whatever.

 

As bad as it is, that's there jobs though. If hyping up the death of a celebrity (whilst paying their respects) gets them money then they will use it to get them money.
Barton's job is to train, play football and do a little good here and there for the community. Yet he seems to think tweeting about every even he reads in paper also files under the job description of a footballer

EDIT: Also I agree everything that Aldridge said.

 

Disagree that suicide is cowardly. Firstly it is pretty black and white to ignore all possible reasons as to why suicide could take place, and secondly, it is often the case that those committing suicide have heads devoid of all rational thought and do something crazy in a deep depression, taking out any sort of reasonable consideration or deliberation from the decision at hand.

On this specific topic though, I couldn't really care less what Joey Barton says but unless it is racist bigotry or something similar, he can express his opinion all he likes as far as I'm concerned, and if anybody wishes to dispute or question it then they are more than welcome to do so too.

 

So this isn't a serious discussion then? Does it sound like we're talking about ****ing X-Factor?

Joey's timing was bad, yes, but he should at least have the modesty to say sorry to those who he's offended. To react like he has is typical of the "rebel without a cause" image he's been portraying since he discovered Morrisey or whatever. He's so self obsessed it's cringeworthy at times.

 

I have suffered from depression. still agree with him completely (still would have kept my mouth shut if i was him though, idiot)

 

He can say what the **** he likes. He is just an attention seeker to be honest and I honestly don't care.

 

It's his opinion and not saying I agree with it or against it, it is more the time and the place he chose to air it.
He maybe could have worded it better if he was asked about it.

The fact he has gone on YET another rant about NUFC's board also shows to me that he is just a media attention seeking prick.

I've said it all along as a toon player I liked him, as a person in the publin domain I think he's a prick who seems to say things to prompt a reaction.

Compare how he has acted to Chris Hughton, Hughton probably had a lot more to be bitter about but has conducted himself as a true gent. Barton seems intent on stir up old ****, or comment on things he really should be thinking about and taking more care over.

 

I think there's a fair few people mixing up selfishness and cowardice which are two completely different things, and Barton says nothing about cowardice (I think...). Suicide is by its very nature selfish (barring throwing yourself on a grenade or something equally heroic), it ignores your loved ones, addresses only your needs and desires, and in the end is something you do to yourself, for yourself. Barton is correct, and I'm still torn on how his family feel about thousands of people clapping their husband and father hanging himself. I know its for his contribution to football, but I still feel a minutes silence would be far more appropriate in this case.

Don't hold me to that if I'm singing one Gary Speed on Saturday though...

 

he's an attention seeking little bairn

 

I think when read properly and in context, then I'm not sure there is lot to get angry about. There's too many hypocrites for me. A hell of a lot of people have made comment on the subject, including whether suicide is selfish over the last few days. Hell there was even a full thread on this board which plenty felt comfortable commenting on. But then when Joey makes comment, he's the devil and should be burned. Its pretty ridiculous for me.

There are a lot of things that have been taken way too seriously over the last few days for me, particularly on these boards. I would not make insensitive jokes about someone dying a day later. But am I going to sit here and say I didn't have a chortle when Amy Winehouse and Wacko Jacko jokes were sent to me? Or Barrymore despite some poor sap dying? I did have a laugh because the jokes were funny. I've been to see many comedians who make jokes about the dead.

It just feels as though we are saying it is so much more important because we held this person dear to us. I was gutted about Speedo. He was a club legend and having met him more than once, he was an absolute gent. I feel really sorry for his wife and kids. But I accept the world we live in where these subjects will be openly discussed and jokes will circulate. Its the modern way like it or lump it.

 

The fact that his job is being a footballer doesn't mean he's not allowed to form or air his opinions. He's not using his job to do that, he does it in his free time. You can't define your existence by what you do for a living.

The only reason this discussion exists is because someone (Barton) did something which you seem to think no one should ever do, which is say what they actually think.

It's more that the press and everyone else are obsessed with him. He hadn't run to do a press interview about this, he'd made a couple comments on twitter. The same thing a ton of other people do.