I do think that one of the worst things was when Landos engineer said something like you will need the team , you will need Oscar , Lando That should not have been said / broadcasted . Heat of the moment and all that , it could have been taken as threatening .
McLaren did Piastri dirty on strategy by giving Lando the undercut. OP led from turn one and managed the gap really well. It would have been very harsh for him to have lost on strategy having done everything right. Lando has to get himself into the position to dictate races- he will do I’ve no doubt. McLaren got two cracking drivers on their hands
It wasn't heat of the moment. It was after repeated attempts to get lando to do what was ordered. It was imo a failure of the big boss who simply told the engineer what to say. If he was a proper boss he would have radioed himself and stated clearly it was him then simply stated this is a team order. Give the place back. An engineer is not threatening to a driver. A team owner is. This was actually a case of failure to enforce the authority on the situation. Next time piastri leads (may be a long time) I would absolutely refuse to have any strategy that puts myself at any disadvantage to norris even if it costs norris places. Car in front pits first, end of. Maccas have made a blunder in each of the recent races thats cost them.
Vettel was told to hold station against Webber in the infamous multi 21 incident, how did that work out for Webber? After vettel crashed into Webber in Turkey and Lewis was leading from Button, even though Lewis was under the impression from the team that Jenson wouldn’t try and over take Jenson still did so, and Lewis was able to fight back, and get the win. Just because you’re told something will happen, doesn’t mean it will.
Und? Whataboutery maybe? Why bring up red bull or others who get into stupid antics as reasons for norris to shaft piastri when in fact thry prove why losing that team trust men's cars start hitting each other. I could bring up times teams end up not being able to have a rear gunner in situations as neither driver will do it. If mclaren want to win the Championships they have to maximise the return and the prior races simply didn't have that due to rank tactics.
Multi 2-1 happened because Webber tried to ignore a similar order justifying it afterwards by saying 'if something had happened to Lewis we were racing for the win'. But, as usual, Webber forgot what he'd said and done previously and made a big song and dance for the cameras about how it was all so unfair.
Which is why he was binned. It got to a straight choice and then of course after thst vettel didn't like max so tucked off himself. If norris wants to race in the best car he may just now be in it for a season or 2 so has to focus on his job and not stealing a win out of his team.mates pocket. Norris engaged in the shortest of short term and basically greedy and mean spirited thinking there. He needs to focus on why his team is so timid on tactics in the race and how to best his team mate without help consistently as verstappen is now slower than him. If norris actually delivers in the raced then he should catch vertsappen up. This could all change after the break.
What will help him, if McLaren stay ahead, is Max lining up next to Lewis more often, I suspect Lewis will be as accommodating as he was yesterday.
I hope so. Or Russell. But I simply don't see the current merc as anything but a little purple patch. The hot conditions and lots of rubber laid down means mercs will drop. I think maccas need to be aggressive now. Thry can win more races doing that than being timid. Norris needs to cut out errors to compete but maccas should win the constructors now. Norris has a fair shot, say 40/60 in the brats favour right now.
My problem with this is that McLaren put themselves in this situation, and the pit strat that they put Lando on was faster, and the aim of the game is to get from point A to point B in the fastest possible time, which Lando essentially did. I'm not sure why he should have to give up the lead when the team essentially put him in an awkward spot. Plus, I'm pretty sure they could have pit Piastri and then Lando and still been safe and avoided the whole potentially damaging drama. The blame falls entirely at the team's door and personally I think they managed it all wrong. With Red Bull seemingly going backwards fairly quickly, they've gotta hope they don't need those points at seasons end.
No the team gave him an unnecessary boost to ensure a 1/2 that was never in doubt. But allowing an undercut to his own teammate it in effect robbed piastri of his right as leader to the strategy call. The team clearly had preplanned orders that norris chose ro ignore once it didn't aid him. He probably sat in the Sunday morning meeting not listening as he was on plot and assumed he'd be fine. In the end maccas could easily have avoided this by not being so timid again and just getting both cars in using the race order. Piastri should not aid norris in any way again. No need to be a rear gunner at all. Push
I think that McLaren are not used to being in a position to win, let alone having 2 drivers capable of it. Their strat and management team just don't have the 'winning' experience to manage the situations. I'm sure they will gain the experience and manage things better as the season goes on. I'm hoping that this is their learning season and next season, the last under current regs will give us some great battles. This year, has at least been a bit more guess work as who will win which is nice.
Just pit Oscar first and be done. Pre-planning the race is utter pants. They were literally telling Lando early on in the race that he's not racing Piastri. What horse crap is that when you have a driver who has an outside chance of a title? McLaren put their drivers in a crap situation all around and it didn't need to happen. They're just now back to winning ways and already trying to choreograph their drivers finishing positions after the first corner. The race is longer than just the start. It ain't drag racing.
It really Driver through corner 1 wins? Team wanted a 2/2 really bad as team see constructors as ther most realistic goal? Anyway you cut it piastri was comfortable enough on a track where passing was difficult until his own team set events in motion. If verstappen were 2nd they'd have undercut him
No, I think they're allowed to race each other up to a certain point, and when that point was reached the team told Lando he was racing Max. Personally I think far too much of a fuss is being made of what happened, it's a mountains from molehills story.
I need to go back and see what lap they gave Norris the message that he wasn't racing Oscar, but it felt early and I remember raising an eyebrow. And there are mountains made out of molehills with all this when it comes to the drivers, I'm just annoyed at the way the team handled it and put their drivers in that spot in the first place. I don't recall the team informing Lando of the plan prior to his stop and setting the expectation. Did I miss that part?
We hear selected radio messages, courtesy of Liberty Media. Could've been a few we didn't hear, ones telling Piastri to stick to a delta, or turn his engine down, or other ones to Lando outlining the situation more. Nothing the US media like more than conflict, and if there isn't any, they'll make it up.
Yeah, I get that. That one would seem odd to hold back though. May go dig up a transcript out of curiosity. Talking of radio messages. Max's race engineer must have the patience of a saint.
The full radio is an interesting listen. Honestly, I'm totally with Lando on this one. It's not because he's a Brit, I couldn't care less on that one. I think he should have just kept racing and dealt with the aftermath, just on the outside chance he needs those points. https://www.reddit.com/r/McLarenFor...ll_team_radio_hungarian_grand_prix/?rdt=40252
This is a good and interesting find - thanks. The thing I found most interesting was that the point that Lando caved, was when the team pointed out that if there were a safety car, Oscar would lose the win. This suggests to me that he wanted to push the point and his claim to lead the team, but it never reached “at any costs” in his mind. Now some time has passed I do think that whilst McLaren made this mess themselves, the one positive for them is that they did show they were in control of their drivers. That radio conversation very much put me in mind of Abu Dhabi 2016 - the race where Rosberg just needed a second place to secure the championship and Hamilton backed him into the pack in the hope he would lose out through the stops - the team pleaded with Hamilton not to risk the win, which he ignored throughout the race and on that day it became really clear that the team didn’t control Hamilton and that the team had to fit around him. As it turned out they had such an advantage in future years, that never really mattered - in todays much tighter F1 that’s something McLaren might value if they can continue to maintain that control going forward.
