I didn't say it shouldn't have I asked why you and Fosse thought it should have, I then went on to say as it looked to me you were creating segregation when they had lived together peacefully of sorts. Fosse late in the conversation mentioned about 500 lives lost in 2023, well I'm sure I could find 500 lives lost in any country for some pointless reason if I looked hard enough and even if I couldn't it was a fair better sort of peace than the absolute thousands up on thousands of deaths since. But I don't expect either of you to understand my logic, that bridges were already there to work on, now because of what happened in October all the bridges have been wiped out...but Israel or something!
I'm sure you will always find an excuse to justify the pointless thousands of lives lost since. Casualties in previous years don't even compare to this current shhite fest, unless you are a complete an utter idiot.
Seems to me Pinkie and Fosse are just playing a numbers game and want to attach blame, than really look at it from a humantarian point of view, they desperately need to be proven right that their hatred for Israel is justified.
It basically comes down to the fact that Palestine has the right to self determination, not to be controlled and subjugated by their neighbour. Both Israel and Palestine have a legitimate right to call the land their home, but it needs to be done equitably. If the state of Israel exists, then naturally so should the state of Palestine. Oct 7th was an atrocity. But this has been going on for way before then. Palestinians weren't living happily and peacefully under Israeli occupation, they were living in an open prison, with curfews, no control over their borders, no access to ports or imports or exports, having their land systematically stolen, settlers building houses on their land and being told they can take Palestinian homes and farms by force. You talk about bridges, but the political calls for Palestinian statehood were ignored, so they protested and they were shot and imprisoned, if they fought back they were labelled as terrorists. If Israel and the West wanted to build bridges, then they would have enabled Palestine to pursue legitimate statehood. Instead we've ended up with a far right govt with Netanyahu and Hamas who want to wipe them off the map.
Justifying what? are you referring to the 38,000 Palestinian lives lost in Gaza since October 7? - the majority of whom are women and children - or the 1,200 Isrealis killed on it? ... given that you say 'thousands' (plural) you must be referring to the Palestinians? - for which I commend you - but don't get how you seem to think I'm making 'excuses'?? I've already made the point that an atrocity is an atrocity and is abhorrent in any shape or form, and shouldn't be measured by race, creed or religion - but I'd add - also not by whether it is perpetrated by a terrorist group or a maverick state ignoring International Law and the accepted conventions of war ...
Palestinians were living happily in Israel, it's a lie to generalise they weren't, this is the trouble, narratives people make up to justify their cause. The bridges were there to be built, it wasn't perfect, they were in poorer areas, but it wasn't a complete divide like we have now, and like you want to create.
I'd already pointed out to you the thousands and thousands that had died since October, yes those 38,000 lives, but you went on a numbers counting game back from that date, like the fooking ****** you are. Prick.
That's because all you have mentioned is Hamas ... which the West Bank death toll has nowt to do with - fanny
Some Palestinians were working in Israel yes, but you're just completely ignoring the whole context of the situation. Ask Palestinians in Gaza or the West bank if they were living happily with Israel.
Don't see the problem, you and Fosse need to stop playing a counting game, like the people of Palestine are a lottery to you, in order to win some online argument, not my fault you are both absolute divs. My point has been all along, we've had way more deaths since October than we had before it, as Fosse said 500 in 2023, compared to 38,000 now, I know which side of the fence I'd have preferred to have been on if I was Paletinian and it's certainly not the one created now, just a shame you two are too damn thick to see it.
I'm not ignoring anything, It's you and Fosse doing the ignoring. What we had was thousands of times better than what we have now, we've gone from a problem that needed some serious sorting to an absolute atrocity.
My counting game values all lives the same ... Care to comment on how what's been going on in the West Bank for decades contributes to Palestinians getting on spiffingly with Israel pre October 7th? - coz it's not my understanding...
I haven't mentioned numbers once, that's you just going off on one. I've been trying to explain the concept of Sovereignty to you and why it's important for Palestinians and ultimately, a lasting solution in the area.
... and even better before Israel illegally occupied the West Bank and started building illegal settlements... glad we can agree at last ...
Ignoring what ? Are you seriously trying to say that Palestinians should have just put up with the illegal occupation and everything that came with it, because it's better than Israel pummelling them to death. That its their fault that Israel have unleashed hell upon them. That's gaslighting in a nutshell.
You're illegally occupying Cornwall, you stole a home from those that had lived there for decades, yeah ok you bought it, but you took the power of wealth to the neck of the poor and said I'm having it. Historical maps from centuries ago, shows there was no Piskie rule of the area, you even out priced the local kids of ice cream with your monopoly on handmade, even banning bubble gum as a flavour....how's that for gaslighting?
