The Greens are NIMBYs Pinkie, only a NIMBY like yourself would not be able to see that. What's their policy on Green energy lol? There really isn't one. They're even anti-nuclear energy when it's pretty much universally known as the best way to make the UK self reliant and Green. Foreign Policy? Don't have one. Military? Don't have one. Middle East? Whatever Labour say, go the other way. Your positive opinion on the Greens is the exact same reason that the average working class bloke likes Reform. Greens just appeal to ignorant middle class people.
Clearly you haven't taken the time to read any of their policies then. Just a left wing version of Farage lol Big NHS investment Nick Triggle Health correspondent @NickTriggle The cash injection being promised by the Greens into the NHS is huge. In the first year, they say they will increase the budget in England by £8bn. It is currently £165bn. And by 2030 there will be £28bn more. There will be more for public health too, delivered by councils. To put that into context, the Liberal Democrats are only promising £8bn a year more for health by the end of the Parliament, while the Conservatives have limited their promises to above inflation increases. The Green Party manifesto promises quicker access to NHS dentistry and GPs and reductions in the hospital waiting list. But the money will also be needed for one of its more unique proposals: a commitment to restore pay for junior doctors. That requires a 35% pay increase, something none of the other parties seem prepared to do. Health is devolved so these policies would apply to England only. Tax on assets over £10m Ben Chu Policy and analysis correspondent @BenChu_ The Green Party manifesto proposes to raise up to £151bn a year in new taxes by 2029. This would be a very large increase, equal to around 4.5% of GDP. One of the big components of this is a new tax on the weathy, which they say would raise about £15bn. This would be levied at 1% a year on the assets of people with more than £10m and 2% on those with more than £1bn. Some tax experts are doubtful this would raise as much as the Greens’ costings suggest, saying many wealthier people who are resident in the UK have only tenuous ties with the UK and could leave to avoid it. However, Arun Advani of Warwick University, who was part of the Wealth Tax Commission, judges the idea of raising a sum from a wealth tax similar to that claimed by the Greens to be “economically credible”. This would apply to the whole of the UK. Tax rise for earners on more than £50,270 Andy Verity Economics correspondent @andyverity The Green Party’s proposal on National Insurance is to charge the basic 8% rate on income above what’s called the Upper Earnings Limit. If you pay higher-rate tax at 40% on some of your pay, you are in a small minority of the population who earn more than the higher-rate threshold of £50,270 a year. It is currently about 5.8 million people out of the total population of 67 million – less than a tenth. It is a minority that’s expanding rapidly because of the 2021 decision to freeze income tax and National Insurance thresholds so that they do not rise in line with earnings or inflation. Since then, wages have risen rapidly but the thresholds haven’t, dragging more and more taxpayers above them to pay a higher rate of tax. Had those thresholds risen as before, there would now be only 3.9 million people exposed to the Green Party’s proposal – a little over a tenth of the workforce. But instead there are now 5.8 million – about 15%. And that is set to grow to 6.7 million, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility. The Greens say that if you earn £55,000, the additional amount you pay under their proposals would be less than £6 per week and if you earn £65,000, it would be about £17 a week. This would apply to the whole of the UK. Scrap university tuition fees Hazel Shearing Education correspondent @hazelshearing The Greens are making a renewed pledge to scrap university tuition fees. The party say they would “fully fund” every student and bring back maintenance grants. It is an expensive promise. It also comes at a time when universities are worried about their finances. Fees for UK students haven’t kept up with costs, and the number of higher-paying international students is predicted to fall. The party says it would scrap “high-stakes testing” in schools and abolish their regulator, Ofsted. And there is a pledge to boost funding for schools by £8bn, including £2bn for teachers’ pay. Spending per pupil currently sits, in real terms, at around the same level it did in 2010. With schools’ costs projected to rise by 4% in 2024 and teachers’ pay for September at the top of the next education secretary’s to-do list, head teachers will be keen to dig into the detail. Education is devolved so these policies would only apply in England Net zero by 2040 Justin Rowlatt Climate editor @BBCJustinR The Green Party say they want to reach net zero – when the UK is adding no additional greenhouse gases to the atmosphere – by 2040 at the latest. That is, most analysts would agree, an extremely ambitious target. By comparison, the Conservatives and Labour both aim to get to net zero by 2050. The Lib Dems and SNP have set a 2045 target while the Reform Party says it will scrap the ambition completely. But getting to net zero will be even more challenging for the Greens because unlike the other parties, they want to phase out nuclear power, currently about 15% of the UK’s electricity. The Greens say they will achieve their goal thanks in large part to a huge rollout of renewable power. They propose a big expansion of offshore wind, as do the main parties. Where the Greens plan to go significantly further is with a massive growth in onshore wind and solar power. But that would likely generate strong local opposition. Many communities do not like to see solar panels covering farmland or wind turbines sprouting on hillsides. This would apply to the whole of the UK. VAT-free culture and Leveson Inquiry part two Katie Razzall Culture and media editor @katierazz The Green Party say they would invest £5bn in community sports, art and culture in England over five years, and remove VAT from cultural activities across the UK. But there is no detail on where that money would come from. On media policy, the Greens want to tighten laws so that no individual or company owns more than 20% of a media market. This comes after a Saudi Arabian businessman bought a 30% stake in Independent Digital News and Media, the owners of the Independent, in 2017. The party also wants to move forward with the second stage of the Leveson Inquiry into press standards - that investigation to explore the relationship between journalists and the police has never happened. Neither the Conservatives nor Labour support proceeding, although the Liberal Democrats also put it in their manifesto. Campaigners who demand what they call a “free and accountable press” say it is vital. The Greens have also proposed a Digital Bill of Rights that takes a cautionary approach to AI that would be in alignment with Europe and other international bodies. Dismantle Trident, stay in Nato James Landale Diplomatic correspondent @BBCJLandale The Greens call for sweeping reforms of Britain’s defence and foreign policies but the radicalism is often tempered by some more mainstream positions. The party would dismantle Britain’s entire Trident nuclear deterrent and remove all foreign nuclear weapons from UK soil. But the party would also keep the UK in the Nato military alliance, saying it has “an important role in ensuring the ability of its member states to respond to threats to their security”. On the war in Gaza, the Greens would end UK military co-operation with Israel, reinstate funding for a UN agency for Palestinian refugees, and support international investigations into war crimes’ allegations against Israel. But it would also push for a ceasefire, the release of hostages and a long-term settlement to bring security to both sides. The Greens would re-join the EU “as soon as the domestic political situation is favourable”. But it would seek to re-enter the Customs Union first and restore the free movement of people, especially students. Naturally, much of their global focus is on climate change. The party would spend 1% of national income on foreign aid and 1.5% on climate finance. But like a rising number of countries in the West, its focus would be on giving emerging economies a greater say over how the money is spent. This would apply to the whole of the UK. Free personal care Alison Holt Social affairs editor @AlisonHoltBBC The Green Party's plan of “investing to mend” includes an additional £20bn to tackle the crisis in adult social care. It is a big chunk of money, so inevitably there will be questions about whether the sums add up, and whether the country could afford that level of spending. The Greens claim increasing taxes on the wealthiest and a carbon tax would raise up to £150bn a year to fund a range of promises. The party argue that putting more into early support for older and disabled people at home or in care homes would take pressure off the NHS. Like the Lib Dems, they would make personal care free - so that is support with daily tasks like washing, dressing and medication. It would be similar to the system already operating in Scotland. The care system is struggling with increasing demand and staff shortages, so it is notable that these two smaller parties have made investing in social care an important part of their manifesto offers. In contrast, the two main parties have had remarkably little to say on the subject so far. Social care is devolved so these policies would apply to England only. Frequent flyer levies and short-haul flight bans Justin Rowlatt Climate editor @BBCJustinR The Green Party says “we need to reduce how much we fly, and we need to do it fairly”. What this means in practice is a frequent flyer levy “to reduce the impact of the 15% of people who take 70% of the flights” and a stop to all airport expansion plans. The party will also ban domestic flights for journeys that would take less than three hours by train and would also make airlines pay VAT on jet fuel - at the moment they do not pay any VAT on kerosene. The Greens also plans an economy-wide carbon tax – a charge on any activities that produce carbon dioxide – that they say would also apply to airlines. Some of these policies may sound a little familiar. The Lib Dem manifesto also contained a commitment to impose a levy on frequent fliers, to ban the shortest-haul flights and restrict airport expansion. Rent controls and no-fault evictions ban Michael Buchanan Social affairs correspondent @BBCMBuchanan Two key elements of the Green Party’s housing policy align with the Scottish Green Party’s experience of being in government in Scotland until April. Any MPs elected for the Greens will campaign for councils to be allowed to impose rent controls as well as banning no-fault evictions. In Scotland, the SNP/Scottish Greens coalition introduced a 3% rent cap for private tenancies and a moratorium on evictions, with limited exceptions. Rent controls are popular with tenants but landlords argue they lead to fewer, poorer quality homes being available as owners can not afford to invest. The Conservatives also promised to ban no-fault evictions, but failed to get the legislation passed before Parliament was dissolved. The Greens also promised to campaign to build 150,000 social homes a year in England and end Right to Buy. Building that number of social homes has not been achieved for decades; between 2019 and 2023 for instance, just 30,000 homes for social rent were built across England. Housing is devolved so these policies would only apply in England. Nationalise railways, water and energy big five Andy Verity Economics correspondent @andyverity The Greens say they will nationalise the companies that run our railways, our water companies and the big five energy companies. That has long been their policy, but sounds a lot less outspoken now than it might have done a few years ago. Following Margaret Thatcher’s privatisations of British Steel, British Petroleum and British Airways, John Major’s government of 1990-1997 continued with the coal industry, energy industry and British Rail. Accepting the view that privatisation meant efficiency, Labour PMs Tony Blair and Gordon Brown embraced similar principles with the Private Finance Initiative, under which the government had contracts with the private sector to finance, build and maintain hospitals, roads and prisons. The 2010-2015 Tory-Lib Dem coalition government continued to privatise. Since then, some poorly run private companies have been propped up with public money to stop them going bust, from Railtrack, the company that owned the railway lines, to LNER and Southeastern train operators more recently. In 2022/23 the government spent about £67bn subsidising energy companies to charge lower bills, something they could not have done without the government. Water companies have been criticised for extracting big dividends while failing to invest, resulting in sewage leaks. And PFI, condemned by MPs as providing poor value for money for the taxpayer, was ditched by Theresa May’s government in 2018.
You copy and pasted the BBC thing you just quickly Googled ffs Pinkie and you didn't even read any of them yourself, everyone knows what you're like lol. Dismantle Trident, because Trident bad - but stay in NATO and therefore toe the party line on international politics. So, do nothing. Increase NHS spending by over £30bn? They have the same Green policies as all the other parties, more windfarms - but are anti-nuclear energy, which makes up 15% of energy here. It's not even uncosted, it just doesn't add up at all. Look at this graph, who are the two parties on this graph who aren't serious political parties: please log in to view this image
I have read it as it goes. But I was just highlighting it coz you didn't think they had any policies lol The Green's spending comes from massive tax hikes on the wealthy and corporate profits. Farage's spending is just made up, as was highlighted by the institute of fiscal studies 'Reform UK's election 'manifesto' has been described as "problematic" by the Institute of Fiscal Studies, which said its tax cuts would cost "tens of billions of pounds a year more" than Reform anticipated.' "Even with the extremely optimistic assumptions about how much economic growth would increase, the sums in this manifesto do not add up," the IFS said.
Heres the Reform one for you lol Reform UK has launched its version of a manifesto for the 2024 general election, which it is calling "Our Contract With You". The document sets out what the party's plans would be, should it win the election on 4 July. Here BBC correspondents have analysed some of the most eye-catching pledges. Freeze on 'non-essential' immigration Two of Reform UK’s core five pledges are to do with migration. The party says it would freeze non-essential immigration, but concedes there would be exceptions with work in healthcare considered essential. It plans to ban students from bringing partners and children to the UK and employers would have to pay 20% National Insurance on foreign workers (compared to 13.8% for British citizens), though there would be exceptions for the health and social care sector and very small businesses. On the thorny issue of small boats smuggling migrants across the Channel, the party says it would “pick up illegal migrants out of boats and take them back to France”. But it does not explain how it would persuade France to accept that. It says "zero illegal migrants" would be resettled in the UK. Asylum seekers arriving illegally would be processed rapidly and "offshore" if necessary. Those rejected would be "returned". These are quite aspirational policies as some would be very hard to implement. Successive administrations have found it very difficult to find places to send failed asylum seekers to and negotiations with France have often got bogged down quickly. A promise to deport foreign prisoners "immediately" after their release is already government policy, but has proved hard to implement with countries that are reluctant to help. These policies all apply to the UK as a whole. Big tax cuts for small businesses Reform UK pledges include some big tax cuts for small business, including introducing a corporation tax free allowance of £100k in profits and lifting the threshold when businesses have to be VAT registered to £150k from £90k. The party also promises to abolish business rates for small and medium-sized firms on the high street. This would be paid for by a 4% online delivery tax for large multinationals. The biggest revenue raisers would come from scrapping targets for net zero - when the UK is adding no additional greenhouse gases to the atmosphere. Reform UK claims that could save £30bn a year. Government figures estimate that offshore wind is cheaper than gas over the long term and is less vulnerable to volatile oil and gas prices. Reform UK also plans a £35bn-a-year raid on banks by ceasing to pay interest on the £700bn of bonds held at the Bank of England as a result of the post-financial crisis Quantitative Easing programme. Andrew Bailey, the Bank of England governor, has said a tax on banks would raise the cost of borrowing for people and businesses. The targeting of big business is perhaps an unusual one for a party of the right, but Nigel Farage is unapologetic for a set of pledges he describes as radical. Royal commission for social care The party's main idea for adult social care in England is to set up a royal commission within the first 100 days of a new government. This would draw up a national plan for a sustainable system to support people who are older and disabled in the community. The party also talks about providing tax incentives and VAT breaks and says more funding will be needed when a plan is agreed. There have been many previous reports and inquiries into how to reform the care system. In 1999, a royal commission put forward plans for change, and in 2011, the Dilnot commission also drew up a blueprint for the future. Many on the front line of social care say, rather than more plans, they need action. Currently care services rely on staff recruited from overseas. Reform UK says it will allow essential immigration, mainly around healthcare, but there isn’t a specific mention of social care. Scrap net zero target Reform UK is pledging to make big savings from government spending on net zero – that’s the UK’s pledge to take as much of its greenhouse gas emissions out of the atmosphere as it puts in by 2050. Reform claims that “scrapping net zero and related subsidies” would save £30bn per year. The UK government is currently spending about £8bn per year on investment in emissions reduction, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). And the Climate Change Committee estimates economy-wide investment costs, including in households purchasing electric vehicles and domestic heat pumps, will be around £50bn per year in the coming decade. However, there are also projected to be savings to households from these zero carbon forms of energy relative to relying on fossil fuels in the coming decades. Most economists judge that the costs of the UK failing to pursue net zero will ultimately be greater than the costs of achieving it. The OBR produced a scenario of “unmitigated global warming” in 2021 which showed UK public sector net debt rising to 300% of GDP by the end of the century due to economic shocks of a hotter climate. BBC experts analyse other manifestos: Conservatives' key policies Labour's key policies Lib Dems' key policies Green Party's key policies Plaid Cymru's key policies Ban 'transgender ideology' in schools Reform UK puts issues and arguments around gender on the first page of its “contract" of policy proposals. It talks about “divisive 'woke' ideology”, claiming it has captured public institutions. Within the first 100 days of government, it pledges to ban what it calls “transgender ideology” in primary and secondary schools. It says this would mean no gender questioning, social transitioning or pronoun swapping in schools, and that parents would be informed about children’s life decisions. Reform UK also promises to replace the Equality Act and says it would scrap diversity, equality and inclusion rules. Education is devolved so these policies would only apply in England, although the Equality Act applies to Great Britain. Tax relief on school fees To ease the pressures in schools, Reform UK is encouraging parents to send their children to independent schools with the promise of a 20% tax relief on fees. Many will see this as a questionable pledge in terms of the substance, scale, and benefits it would bring to millions of families who can’t afford a private education for their children. The party says it will double the numbers of pupil referral units and there will be permanent exclusions for violent and disruptive children. Reform UK also says it will ban what it calls "critical race theory" in primary and secondary schools and any teaching of slavery must be paired with the teaching of a non-European occurrence of the same to ensure balance. Some will see policies like these as a distraction from the numerous challenges schools face, such as teacher shortages and the increasing numbers of children with special educational needs and disabilities. There is little mention of these issues. The party also says it will cut funding to university campuses allowing political bias or cancel culture, and will scrap interest on loans for university students. Education is devolved so these policies would only apply in England. An extra £17bn for NHS The party sets out an extra £17bn a year for the NHS. That’s significantly higher spending than any of the three main parties. By 2028/29, the Conservative Party is pledging around £1bn extra in cash terms for the NHS, Labour around £2bn extra, and the Lib Dems £5.8bn extra. Reform UK says its policies would eradicate NHS waiting lists in two years. This is big talk. Waiting lists for treatments are huge. The party also says the NHS must use the private sector more to help take the pressure off its services and pledges 20% tax relief for private healthcare providers and insurance. Independent health think-tank the Nuffield Trust say this could take money out of the public purse to give to profitable business, encourage NHS staff to move to the private sector and leave the NHS worse off. Reform UK has also called for a new NHS funding model. It wants the next government to look to countries like France, which has insurance-based health models. Health outcomes in the UK have fallen behind a number of European neighbours, but they are spending more money on health. According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) for the period between 2019 and 2022, health spending a year per capita was $8,011 (£6,309) for Germany, $7,771 (£6,120) for Norway, $6,630 (£5,229) for France and $5,493 (£4,326) for the UK. These policies are England-only as other nations set their own health policies. Scrap the rest of HS2 rail link Following two cancellation announcements in the past few years, the only section left of the high speed rail link is the one currently being built between London and the West Midlands. It’s now in its peak construction phase. The last official update to Parliament in November 2023 said £27bn had been spent on HS2 so far in 2019 prices, £24.6bn of that on the first phase. That figure will have risen since then. The government thinks the total cost of London-Birmingham will be up to £54bn, although HS2 Ltd has come up with a higher figure. Reform says scrapping the rest of the project would save £25bn. But it’s hard to say exactly how much money would in fact be saved. We’ve asked them how they reached that figure. Yes, less money would be spent on building, but other costs would be incurred. These would probably include substantial pay-offs to contractors, and repurposing tunnels, bridges and other pieces of infrastructure which have been built or partially built. Last year, the government said scrapping the first section of HS2 would mean paying out £11bn in “remediation costs”, again in 2019 prices. Reform also says it would pass laws to ban London’s Ultra Low Emission Zone, a £12.50 daily charge to drive a vehicle that doesn't meet certain emission standards. It would also ban Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, which aim to reduce traffic, in part by preventing drivers using quieter residential roads as through-routes. The party would also get rid of the plan to ban sales of petrol and diesel cars from 2035. Raising stamp duty threshold to £750,000 On housing, Reform aims to appeal to homeowners, including landlords. As part of the proposed changes to taxation, there is the idea of lifting the stamp duty threshold significantly in England and Northern Ireland. At present, those who move (rather than first-time buyers) pay stamp duty when buying a home for more than £250,000. Reform says this should rise to £750,000. Then there are the proposals for inheritance tax to be paid only on estates of more than £2m. Only a small proportion of the population pay it, but this is aimed at those who think one day they might, especially if they have a valuable home. Scrapping previous tax changes for landlords, it says, will encourage smaller operators in the market. All of this would be very expensive for any government and raises further questions on whether the money could adequately be found elsewhere. Renters will see there is no repeat of Labour and Conservative plans to ban no-fault evictions, with Reform arguing existing laws are adequate. Leave the European Convention on Human Rights Reform wants to leave the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and the “foreign” court in Strasbourg that oversees that international agreement. The ECHR is an “international” court. The UK co-founded it and provides a judge and staff. If the UK quit, it would join a club of two nations - Russia and Belarus. Critics say the ECHR interferes in the deportation of terrorism suspects or sending asylum seekers to Rwanda. On terrorism, the Strasbourg court has not ultimately stood in the way of the UK sending suspects to other countries, providing they won’t be tortured. The court did indeed temporarily stop the first Rwanda flight, but only for as long as British judges needed to consider the policy and rule whether the country was safe. Of the 68,500 cases piled up in Strasbourg as of last year, 0.2% of them concerned the UK - and only one of those 127 cases went against the government. Opponents of the ECHR say the UK does not need the input of other countries to do the right thing. But the convention’s supporters say membership helps the UK in its modern mission to bring other states up to our standards of fair and equal treatment. Scrap the licence fee There is no specific chapter dedicated to arts or the creative industries. Reform UK directs some focus at the BBC, which it calls “out of touch”, “wasteful” and “institutionally biased”. The party would scrap the TV licence fee. The BBC’s mission is to provide impartial, high quality and distinctive output. The board of governors’ remit includes ensuring value for money for the taxpayer. The Conservatives previously launched a review into whether a subscription model, advertising model or other way to fund the corporation would work better. The BBC’s charter runs until 2027 so any changes would be implemented after that. Also included in Reform’s policies are plans to launch an inquiry into social media harms and a review of the Online Safety Bill. That puts the onus on social media companies to remove illegal content and protect children on their platforms, with powers given to Ofcom to fine those that fail to do so.
Farrage showing his arse. https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1802991002757541967?s=46&t=GjXW4PhG0s7kgSMl8GkTkw frog faced lying, grifting ****. But that’s just my personal opinion.
They don't think the Green one does either lol https://ifs.org.uk/articles/green-party-manifesto-reaction "Debt would be £80 billion a year higher and we could expect debt to be rising throughout the next Parliament." "Whether they could really raise over £90 billion from a carbon tax is doubtful, not least because the more successful the tax is at changing behaviour, the less it would raise. The windfall tax measures would only bring in temporary revenue. The Greens would find that additional tax-raising measures would be needed to fund their planned permanent spending increases. " "While a recurrent wealth tax could raise revenue, it would be tough to implement. Restricting upfront income tax relief on pension contributions would also be difficult to achieve - and would hit a lot of workers on not terribly high salaries - many nurses and teachers for example." Sorry Treble
Mr Farage, some of your candidates have links with fascist leaders 'Well one or two might have slipped through the net'
Yeah, I agree it's probs too radical to implement in today's society. But at least it adds up unlike Farage's lol Anyway, I'm glad you now know that the Greens have some policies.
My recollection from that time is a little different to yours. Farage won my vote, it is that simple. He was the one that was standing up in the EU parliament bashing the bastards time after time. The names you mentioned only ever appeared at the final hurdle. The job was already done by that point, Leave would have won with Farage running the campaign by himself. He’ll get elected to parliament, next month. He’s got 5 years of winning the public over for the next election. I’m not underestimating him. Whichever party he’s at, Tory or Reform, in the next election. They’ll be there or thereabouts in 2029.
Politically speaking, he's probably better at sticking with Reform and building his own thing. I think joining the Tories will just kill off both parties at once, too many Tory longtimers will walk, they have such deep traditions and even under Boris large numbers of them were removed. It's why they're in the mess today. Reform thrive because they can successfully have Farage leading the pack like a big dog, under Farage his followers will have to start appealing to rural farmers in Somerset.
Exactly. Agree with that. Farage can play the working man better than any other MP kicking about, at the moment. He wins people over. I personally wouldn’t vote for him. He’d make a terrible PM and I’d genuinely worry about what that would mean for a couple of my pals. I can see it happening though if people just keep dismissing him, again.
Nah, they are real policies, just too radical for your average Joe. Farage appeals to the folk who are scared of the boat people and trannies, so he's probs got more traction They'll ignore the fact that he'll make you pay for health insurance though and blame it on the darkies for clogging up the NHS
