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Time to replace Hamilton at McLaren?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Forza Bianchi, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. martial artist

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    good shout cc --
    it is the silly infatile childish infatuation of one driver by people that very often leads to the bickering on such forums as ours -- maybe if people put aside there childish fixations on there chosen favourite peace and harmony would follow on forums like ours --

    i fear it will never happen --
     
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  2. martial artist

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    " it puzzles me why he managed to do so well then "

    ------------ i think i must have watched a different 2011 season to you then bud --
     
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  3. Speedy Klaxton

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    We know how quick Lewis is. He needs to ignore everything and just drive as fast as he can. The main problem this year has been not learning from mistakes. Repeating stupid crashes. If he had jus 1 crash with Massa, the one at Monaco would anyone be complaining? No. No need to sake him for one poor season.
     
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  4. RI

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    I was referring to the pre-pirelli years not 2011.
     
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  5. martial artist

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    preserving the tyres and tactical awareness was never a factor for any driver in the fuel stop days with the ultra durable bridgestones .
    however with the new format of racing and the less durable pirelli"s the drivers have to have a bit more " nous" , going by this year i am not so sure if hamilton does indeed have the neccersary " nous" ---
     
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    You could argue that the drivers now do not have to worry about fuel and the management of it.
     
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  7. BrightLampShade

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    I wouldn't fully agree with that. The tyres gave you more scope to play with but you still had to get strategies right and get the most out of the tyres and the cars relative weight.
     
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  8. martial artist

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    they certainly have to be more wary of it than they were before the fuel stops , it happened more last year but how many times did we hear the engineers telling various drivers to watch there fuel --
     
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    not quite so sure about that bright , the bridgestones were as tough as coffin nails in comparison to the present day pirelli"s , the drivers could rag the cars and the tyres knowing the races were nothing more than a series of short sprints before the next fuel and tyre stop --
     
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    In terms of strategy and managing separate stints I am sure it was more of a factor/ of more importance in a race compared to now a days.
     
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    But you had to manage how much weight you had in your car by having the right number of stops, and although the Bridgestones didn't fall off a cliff they did degrade. Still had the two compound rule as well. F1 has been a strategy game for a long time.
     
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    as i say the races after 1993 when the fuel stops came into being were nothing more than a series of very quick sprints on tyres more durable than the modern day pirelli"s - tyres then were never a factor because they very often had a new set whenever they came in for a splash and dash -

    the stratergy was done normally a week beforehand back at base by the tacticians on there high powered software - not quite sure what the drivers input could of actually been under those circumstances -
     
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  13. ErnieBecclestone

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    Maybe, Lewis should replace the old bloke at Mercedes, that would be bad news for McLaren and Rosberg I think.
     
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    without a doubt the stratergy boys earnt there money in the fuel stop days , however the stratergy was worked out by the stratergy boys days before hand ,
    when the races were nothing more than a series of short splash and dash sprints for the drivers i am not sure what they actually contributed towards that stratergy --
     
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  15. EternalMSC

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    Not until he can sort his act out in the team he started his F1 career in, better to stay and progress than fail and bail out eh.
    That old bloke has done much better against his teammate compared to last year, and compared to other inter-team battles on the grid.
     
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  16. Di Resta is faster than u

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    Its a shame about his gearbox issue because (I can't find the article now) he said he had the pace to beat Alonso, Button and Massa at the various points he was stuck behind them and was indeed right on top of them.

    But because of the gearbox issue while everyone else was changing gears faster than the speed of light he had to change every gear an awful lot slower, so when it came to the 2 overtaking straights no matter how close he was to them, he could get a better corner exit, have slipstream, DRS, KERS etc they simply pulled away as thier cars were going up the gears correctly and he had to wait.

    If he had had no gearbox issue at all he may well have finished 3rd as he had Button/Alonso/Massa beating pace regardless, just not the ability to go faster down the straights.
     
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  17. Di Resta is faster than u

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    I'll get the 1st round in
     
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  18. BrightLampShade

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    Then I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree. I believe the drivers still played a role in strategy in the fuel stop days and you don't, not much more we can say hey ;)

    Cheers, Pint of the month for me please <ok>
     
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    Cheers Sea-Man. A pint of Jaipur would go down rather well! <cheers>
     
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    Just wondering if anyone is going to keep count of Hamilton stories on the BBC website between Brazil 11 and Australia 12. They're up to two already after just one day.
     
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