I think the problem with voters in the main, and by all means I don't mean everyone, is to think of them like a child, if you tell them not to do something, chances are they will go and do it. Example, when I was young I had a motorbike, fook knows how I never killed myself, more by the hand of fate than any judgment on my part - now my lad wanted a motorbike when he was young, and I put brain into gear and thought, if I objected it would make him want one more. so with brain and wallet I said how about a car and I'll pay the iinsurance, as it happens we bought the car for him as well, hence avoiding the worry of him being out on a bike. Now a political example, I've never been a fan of Diane Abbott, I don't agree with her views and I don't particularly like her, but when they tried to ban her, I'm like hang on here, that's not right... Well people do the same with Trump, and the more you try and put him down, the more people will support him. Now imagine a scenario of letting sleeping dogs lie...the Feds never chased Trump for documents stored at his home in Florida, New York had never chased Trump for hush money payments, all they've done by not following the saying is make Trump more dangerous than he ever was. One of the funny things I often find here, non tory voters know more about right wing groups and media than I ever do, and by constantly banging the same drums, they become part of the problem instead of the solution...or that's how I see it anyway.and that's how twitter works and causes so much damage, every meme you make, makes the opposition stronger, because bad publicity promotes them for the simple reason people love an underdog and the more you beat that dog, the stronger it becomes. 14 years of Tory rule have proved that and if America is not careful Trump will be back as president again, stronger than ever, god help us all.. Edit: I should have added also, the big mistake the Tories made was getting rid of Boris, they shot their own foot off the day they did that.
I always think with Brexit, there was only one way it was ever going to get past the post and that was by hook or crook, and Boris fitted the job perfectly to the annoyance of many a person. I still believe now, if it hadn't of been for Boris we would have remained in the EU. Those that complain of it based on a pack of lies, isn't this very General Election going to be won on much of the same - the commons is full of liars on all sides
In the context of the GE. Without Boris getting sacked, we wouldn't have had the Truss budget followed by the Rishi government. I personally believe he would have held on with a much reduced majority.
On Brexit, it was Johnson that won that vote. It was Cameron vs Johnson all the way. The cheers when he made his speech? Insane.
I think he would have held on if he was a Labour PM. Tony Blair had shy of 1 million people marching through London against him. He still held on for another election. It's the Tories who exhibit this sacking stuff constantly, it's always their go-to whenever polls sour. There was plenty of time to turn it all around.
Party, party,party being fed by the media endlessly never did him any favours, the parties never bothered me, but I wasn't personally affected by any traumatic event at the time like some were.
The Norwegian PM did the same thing (ironically also a Norwegian Tory) and there wasn't much ado about it. Infact, she's set to be reelected.
Yeah, I'll be honest I'm not the biggest Boris hater. I think he did alright, which is a controversial statement (on here!) His budgets were better than the May ones, he seemed to have a vision, I think his foreign policy decisions were absolutely spot on. He was, as he had been throughout his career, terrible at party politics. I think he mishandled the Tory factions, put too much trust in the ERG to get him through tough times and had the backing of too many inexperienced Tory MPs. Younglings like Sunak rose up and sniffed power.
I didn't mind Boris, but the lies became too much and the naughty child act only stretches for so long before you lose patience with it. I always say though the only way Brexit was ever going to get done, was via his methods, it's shhite, it's not nice, but sometimes it's the only way to break the chains. I always say give me the solution not the problem, and the solution was to be an arse - but half the population was never going to forgive him for that.
On Brexit, it looks like the Frexit thing might actually happen before too long. France in 2024 looks remarkably similar to the UK prior to Brexit. For the first time in years mainstream French politicians are talking about it and warning against it, which seemed to be dead in the water a few years back. National Rally are also ahead in every poll, that young Jordan Bardella (Marine Le Pens nephew) is probably the future of European right wing politics. He is very popular.
I'm always happy to work with Europe, nowt wrong with a common market or sticking together against foes, I want us to work closely with our European neighbours ffs, but it should never become a club you can't leave. Personally I think there should be a vote every 10 years, so 2026 ppl can vote to go back in again, as long as in another 10 years from that, the vote comes round again. I shouldn't have had to wait until I'm nearly 60 for a vote, where our membership was engrained in stone. Just my opinion that's all.
Brexit had already happened to all intents and purposes by the time Boris became PM . The moment article 13 was triggered that was it from then on it was just a case of negotiating the future trading terms .
Should have told Gezza that. His campaign was awful, they'll study that in politics in the future I am sure.
Corbyn was anti EU and had always been so like most on the (far) left which presented a problem as the party he led was pro EU
His parties polticians and his city based, young, support base certainly was. But the actual labour voters? Clearly not. So, his answer was to pledge a second referendum on any deal made between his government and the EU. He read the tone of the land and just got it so wrong.
Probably more what I was aiming at. But it was never going to be a negotiation in my eyes, the little island negotiating with a big union, one that in all honesty was never happy you were leaving, hence why I threw in the term of being an arse - just to break the chains and come back to the table at the right time, some years later - that time being now under a new government, well hopefully. I would still be against rejoining, but I would never deny people the vote to do so, at the appropriate time, as I said above, reviewed every ten years. I really couldn't agree to anything else, but most of us on here haven't got that many decades left in us, so all the so called gammons will be dead and buried. Left with BWood and Sucky to rule the roost..
