Some cognitive dissonance here. Always has to be extremes for some. From March when this supposed 'talk with Tan' happened, people praised the change of style and form and spoke about how there were clear signs Rosenior had changed his approach. Now people saying "Oh yeah it was boring all the time and he was stubborn with his approach". Can't be both fellas. It is ok to sit somewhere in the middle on some things.
It shouldn’t take a player going above his head for things to change. We were on our way to a finish that would’ve seen most not arsed if Rosenior was sacked. Players shouldn’t be begging to have the shackles taken off
I don't believe players did go above his head, considering one of the players who supposedly did so has just done an interview in the national press saying how much he enjoyed working with Rosenior.
That literally doesn't mean anything though does it. Why do people take some of the spiel so full on? And if Carvalho was one of the ones who instigated the talk, why would that mean he was 'against' Rosenior at this point? What did you expect him to say about his loan stint? I've just disagreed with my manager about something, doesn't mean I want him sacked and that I don't think he's good at his job, or that I'm not enjoying what I'm doing.
To disagree so strongly that he went around him to the Vice Chairman is a bit extreme though. Why do you feel the need to downplay or twist the situation? If you enjoyed your job and liked working with your manager but had a disagreement about a project he wanted you to work on and you went to the CFO of your organisation, I reckon your manager wouldn't be too impressed. He could very easily have trotted out some cliched lines in the press and left it at that if he was unhappy with his time under LR. He very clearly went above and beyond that.
Wouldn’t say complain no. Just felt we were restricting ourselves in how we played which results also showed at the time. I thought credit to all involved but clearly ownership felt otherwise
He really didn't go beyond anything. He banged a bunch of goals in, was a key member of the squad and obviously liked the manager. His stock will have risen while with us and it solidifies his career onto a good path. That doesn't mean he didn't instigate talks with Tan, doesn't mean he didn't enjoy his time with us and doesn't mean he wasn't surprised when LR was sacked. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
What are you talking about banging in goals? I'm talking about the interview he gave only a few days ago. He didn't just trot out a couple of cliches. So you're suggesting he loved working with Liam, had a great time here, but went around the manager to talk to the Vice Chairman to complain about our style of play. Didn't even ask the captain to do it, just bypassed everyone. Whilst having an enjoyable time here. Ok.
So Carvalho went around Rosenior and talked to Tan? Didn't ask Coyle or Greave to, he went himself? Just to confirm. And it 100% happened and thinking otherwise is daft?
It wasn’t a single individual, couldn’t tell you the politics of it all regarding Coyle etc. It happened, but it shouldn’t be depicted as a negative it was more a resolution that was found that led to us nearly landing 6th. Again, Rosie laid the foundations for this run in to happen just didn’t quite work out. Had he dropped/not signed Allsop I think he’d still be here which is worrying
This all started with me pointing out that things did change, despite many now trying to claim nothing ever changed and we were as boring as ever all season, which is patently untrue. If the conversation with Tan definitely really did happen then I'll take your word for it.
I agreed with that post for what it’s worth. Some are so caught up in an agenda that they reject evidence
