New Head Coach

He will get time, but there will always be a vocal minority demanding immediate success.

Overall I believe a young, progressive manager with a good reputation for tactical awareness and playing style will get great support from the fans.

 

The club won't and fans like that can get f*cked ...

... I'm getting really bored with all the whining tbh.

Next it'll be the transfer window and criticising every time someone leaves or joins.

I remember a time when the default was blind faith, now it's attack the club. It's absolutely pathetic when people whine about Danny Batth being allowed to leave then criticise the club for not showing ambition

 

TBF I think a lot of us are bored with the whole lot atm

 

That's the close season for you ...

... what in particular is boring you.

 

Blind faith is the last refuge of the incompetent.

 

You're usually a much better angler than that.

 

Of course it is especially for the Billions of religious people in the world or the majority of people who rely on hospitals and medical staff/surgeons or even people who use public transport or fly abroad for holidays. Etc. Etc.

 

It's true. Football clubs love fans who are never critical under any circumstances or provocation. It's a hangover from when clubs weren't run as businesses and supporters weren't treated as customers.

The wet dream of most club owners is asset stripping while getting no backlash.

 

Not sure he is even fishing for a bite more that he really believes it

 

Did you do a survey?

 

No need, there's plenty of evidence. Some of it from previous owners of Sunderland.

 

Of our previous six or seven owners, one fits that category. Hardly a majority.

 

Really !!! I don't think you are correct in any way, shape or form there. Football clubs love fans full stop and want as many of them as they can get even if they are ultra critical.
I do not know a fan who is not critical but TBH some are overly and even aggressively critical about minor problems, however the club would still hope to hold onto every supporter as long as they are not undesirable characters like the Fan mocking young Bradley or people hurling about racist abuse etc.
The problem is that criticism should be well thought out and a modicum of evaluation put into it not just bashed out on a keyboard after somebody has just finished a session on line with their therapist on xhamster.

 

Is it Will Still or Peter Krowietz yet ???

 

It's just another lecture from 'Business Jargon for Idiots' which doesn't actually apply to football.

Here's another from the same bitter little man.

The Exile II
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"With every week that passes we get more evidence that the whole of football is at best grossly incompetent and at worst blatantly corrupt."

https://www.theofficelife.com/business-jargon-dictionary-A.html

WIth most operations, if you don't like the product, you can take your business elsewhere ...

... with your club you're chained to it for life and there doesn't have to be any logic, rhyme or reason.

 

Anybody else lost on this thread now?

 

Poch leaving Chelsea has blown my mind to be honest. But it has crystalised something that has been bothering me for a while. Slowly but surely I have been falling out of love with elite domestic football. Sky and the money at prem level started an inexorable decline. It has got worse though due to the modern football club owner. By and large they are a useless and incapable bunch, and not aware enough of how to make their business a success. They are in the process of putting the final nail in the coffin of the English game, which was once part of the fabric of our country, but no longer is.

Head coaches are seen as discardable cogs. They are given targets to achieve, but those targets are set by folk who have no knowledge upon which to base those targets. Once upon a time a coach was deemed fundamental to a club and was given time to create a team in their clubs image. Now, in our world of instant success or else, it is barely just over 1 season they get. Owners with significant wealth have ruined what was left of football in this country. We are left with a shell of a sport, one where there is arguably more talk in the fan base across a season about who should be next coach versus the actual matches. Sad times.

 

I think a large part of the problem is that, as a society, we've made complaining and criticising a virtue. We've been told "you should question the establishment" but people don't understand what that means. It's as if the establishment is three, slightly drunk, elderly gents, sitting at a big oak table at the top of a flight of marble steps with a big gilded sign saying "THE ESTABLISHMENT" hanging over them, and flinging out proclamations on a whim. Its not. The establishment is the combined hard work of lots of people over time to achieve a collective body of knowledge. And because of how that body of knowledge is achieved, its changing all the time. When (sensible) people say we should question it, what they really mean is we should test, using the same rigorous methods, the conclusions that the establishment currently believes to be accurate. This is how the establishment develops. Unfortunately, what the general public think this means is "blindly attack what you hear, especially if it doesn't fit with what you want to hear" and/or "believe the lone weirdo with no formal training or experience in the matter because what they are saying fits in more with what I want to believe".

What this has led to is a society that has no respect for anyone else's experience or expertise. When you combine this with the lack of resilience in the population and everyone's demand to have exactly what they want, immediately, you get lots and lots of people with no patience.

Therefore, when a football team isn't winning, people are desperate to claim that the owners and the staff are incompetent, simply because they can't cope with the fact that things aren't going their way. They claim that poor results are evidence that the club is run by idiots or misers or conmen. They aren't interested in looking for the more complicated but more accurate answer. All because society has conditioned them in to believing that they should criticise without understanding.

 

Utterly stupid. Poch did about as good a job as he could given their utterly reckless activity with transfers and chopping previous managers at the knees.

They don't deserve a spot in the top four any time soon. I'd prefer the Man's beat them to thr fourth spot next year to be honest.

They're making a terrible joke of themselves and everyone they hire.

I hope Poch gets the United or Bayern job and plays a ****ing better.

 

This is part of the same phenomenon that I've just ranted about. Demand everything now, condemn if those demands aren't achieved.