then dont be. its a perfectly sensible solution to preventing the gary speed thread from getting filled up with discussions about suicide and mental problems.
i can see what he is trying to do by sepparating the condolences thread from a general discussion thread over the "whys and wherefors" thread mate
I wouldn't be holding your breath on that. There're two options and I still keep hitting the wrong one. DOH.
Did anyone catch any of 606 tonight on radio 5? Some very good stories about Speed from people who'd met him. In a day where it seems some footballers are losing touch with the supporters it was refreshing to hear stories of a player who made time for everyone he met.
Really well put, I didn't want to jump on him, it would not have been appropriate, I'm quite sure originallambrettaman will do a much better job of that.
Posters who know me, also know that I had a mental breakdown in March 2009. Thoughts of suicide hit me at increasingly regular intervals. At times it could be relentless. Joke about it as much as some of you want. It's not something that I could control and I certainly could not snap myself out of it. No one knew the extent of my difficulties and many where not just shocked by what happened to me, but also shocked as they thought that knew me. I have still got a reputation as very confident and determined in business. Yet it all was a mask. At times I would analyse every word said to me, to the point of losing sleep, even when I had done a great job, I would get upset for the daftest of reason. Selfish, cowardly, sorry no. Mental illness is what it says on the tin.
Not wishing to fall out with you Erik but Gary Speed has died and you are worrying about people thinking you started a thread!! Screams of me me me.
no doubt the media will be digging around to bring us the whys and wherefores . Its probably not the time for speculation but id say its a cowards way out depending on the reason. If depression or other mental illness is a cause then its obviously not cowardly . tho if its for something he cant face his family over - then yes it does appear cowardly .
With all due respect, I don't really care about Gary Speed. Good footballer, nice man and I genuinely feel for his family, but at the end of the day he was as much a stranger as whichever troubled soul has killed himself in Japan, Nigeria or New Zealand today. Life goes on, Chazz.
The difference is that you knew of him, but I do understand your point and you are right to make it. I hate false sentiment.
I've worked with ex miners from Barnsley who are 10x tougher than anyone on here, yet they are riddled with depression, anxiety and stress issues. These men are outwardly hard as nails but scratch the surface and they crumble. To call them weak however is a huge insult and shows an amazing level of ignorance. Depression is a disease which removes people's ability to make rational decisions and anyone who thinks Gary Speed's thought process in taking his own life included a level of selfishness that disregarded his family knows nothing about these kind of problems. If never profess to be able to act or behave in a certain way if I had cerebral palsy or cancer for example. Mental health issues and depression should be treated in exactly the same way. Anyway you look at it he was much respected, a shining example of professionalism, a genuinely decent human and will be sadly missed.
Yeah, I knew of him. As I say, he was a good footballer and came across as a genuine, honest and all-round nice man. But when people use his death as a means of trying to highlight a perceived negative character trait within me, I am not going to lie or beat-around the bush. I am going to be honest. If they wish to take my decision to do so as nothing more than conformation of their accusation, so be it. I do not much care for the opinions the internet has of me.
Depression is an illness - not just people feeling a bit sad about stuff, and like any illness it affects some people and not others. It would be the equivalent of saying - I don't understand why people get cancer. Read Stan Collymore's account for a better insight. RIP Gary.
