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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Not a chance.

    Torres couldn't make mane and salah sing. He was a focal point..it has to be our 2020 back line and forwards and gk but rafa midfield for me.

    Firming v suarez discussion. Suarez and salah would be a massive ego fight.
     
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  2. Milk..

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    Tried to get AI to give me worst XI... It ran much slower and crashed without completing... But it almost completed it's reply. Amusing Joe Cole is on the list. (I told it only to pick from players with at least 10 starts). Formatting is a bit messed up as I had to manually copy the text because.it crashed, but you get the idea.

    Selecting the worst XI for Liverpool FC over the last thirty years is also subjective, but here are some players who struggled during their time at the club, despite having had at least 10 league starts:

    Worst XI (4-4-2 Formation)
    Goalkeeper:

    1. Adam Bogdan
    Defenders: 2. José Enrique (Left Back)

    1. Philipp Degen (Right Back)
    2. Torben Piechnik (Center Back)
    3. Björn Tore Kvarme (Center Back)
    Midfielders: 6. Alberto Aquilani (Central Midfield)

    1. Christian Poulsen (Central Midfield)
    2. El Hadji Diouf (Right Midfield)
    3. Paul Konchesky (Left Midfield)
    Forwards: 10. Andriy Voronin (Striker)

    1. Iago Aspas (Striker)
    Substitutes:
    1. Charles Itandje (Goalkeeper)
    2. Andrea Dossena (Defender)
    3. Oussama Assaidi (Midfielder)
    4. Joe Cole (Midfielder)
    5. Stewart Downing (Midfielder)
    6. Milan Jovanović (Forward)
    7. Mario Balotelli (Forward)
    These players often failed to meet expectations and struggled to


    It crashes at this point but looks like it almost completed it's response.
     
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  3. Milk..

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    I don't even remember Piechnik playing for Liverpool. <laugh>

    I think that was from a time when I couldn't watch games reliably and had to listen to them on Internet radio (before that became blocked overseas)
     
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  4. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Alisson
    Taa VVD Hyypia Robbo
    Mascherano Alonso
    Gerrard
    Salah Suarez Mane

    my Rafa/klopp cross over with Klopp in charge.
     
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  5. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    I’ve never heard of him.

    edit 17 appearances between 92-94 so was bit too young then
     
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  6. Milk..

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    Lol... And here is AI's best and worst of all time. Worst seems to be heavily linked to recent decades and some players made worst of all time list that didn't make worst of last 30 years.

    Joe Cole there again. <laugh>

    Sure, here are the best and worst Liverpool FC XI of all time, with a minimum of 10 appearances, and the years they played for the club.

    ### Best XI of All Time (4-3-3 Formation)

    **Goalkeeper:**
    1. Ray Clemence (1967-1981)

    **Defenders:**
    2. Phil Neal (1974-1985) - Right Back
    3. Alan Hansen (1977-1991) - Center Back
    4. Virgil van Dijk (2018-present) - Center Back
    5. Andy Robertson (2017-present) - Left Back

    **Midfielders:**
    6. Steven Gerrard (1998-2015) - Central Midfield
    7. Graeme Souness (1978-1984) - Central Midfield
    8. John Barnes (1987-1997) - Central Midfield

    **Forwards:**
    9. Mohamed Salah (2017-present) - Right Wing
    10. Kenny Dalglish (1977-1990) - Striker
    11. Ian Rush (1980-1987, 1988-1996) - Left Wing

    ### Substitutes:

    12. Alisson Becker (2018-present) - Goalkeeper
    13. Emlyn Hughes (1967-1979) - Defender
    14. Sami Hyypiä (1999-2009) - Defender
    15. Terry McDermott (1974-1982) - Midfielder
    16. Xabi Alonso (2004-2009) - Midfielder
    17. Robbie Fowler (1993-2001, 2006-2007) - Forward
    18. Luis Suárez (2011-2014) - Forward

    ### Worst XI of All Time (4-4-2 Formation)

    **Goalkeeper:**
    1. Adam Bogdan (2015-2019)

    **Defenders:**
    2. Philipp Degen (2008-2011) - Right Back
    3. Paul Konchesky (2010-2011) - Left Back
    4. Torben Piechnik (1992-1994) - Center Back
    5. Sotirios Kyrgiakos (2009-2011) - Center Back

    **Midfielders:**
    6. Alberto Aquilani (2009-2012) - Central Midfield
    7. El Hadji Diouf (2002-2005) - Right Midfield
    8. Bruno Cheyrou (2002-2006) - Central Midfield
    9. Stewart Downing (2011-2013) - Left Midfield

    **Forwards:**
    10. Andy Carroll (2011-2013) - Striker
    11. Mario Balotelli (2014-2016) - Striker

    ### Substitutes:

    12. Charles Itandje (2007-2010) - Goalkeeper
    13. Djimi Traoré (1999-2006) - Defender
    14. Salif Diao (2002-2007) - Midfielder
    15. Joe Cole (2010-2013) - Midfielder
    16. Milan Jovanović (2010-2011) - Forward
    17. Christian Benteke (2015-2016) - Forward
    18. Iago Aspas (2013-2015) - Forward

    These selections aim to reflect the players' performances and contributions (or lack thereof) during their time at Liverpool.
     
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  7. Zanjinho

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    So why are you trying to compare them? And using the teams (that they were in) achievements as a gauge?
     
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  8. Zanjinho

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    Not sure how you figure that; there wasn't a Suarez Vs Messi ego fight...

    Out of those three (Suarez, Messi and Salah) players, it's only the Egyptian that has an ego
     
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  9. Solid Air 2

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    and contains no players from the clubs glory days :emoticon-0112-wonde

    should have carried on reading before replying <laugh>
     
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  10. Solid Air 2

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    No way Barnes in CM has to be left wing and Rush was no left winger ffs
     
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    Yeah, I don't know why it gives best as 4-3-3 and worst as 4-4-2, but there are better formations to use that could take advantage of Rush and Barnes. A 4-2-2-2 for example could have put the same players in and given them more appropriate positions.
     
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    Central midfield looks a bit crowded.
     
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    Giving GPT the benefit of the doubt I'm assuming Alonso would be behind the other two with Gerrard more to the right and Hendo more to the left.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Henderson wouldn't be within an ass's roar of the midfield of 30 years.

    Plus alonso could play anywhere so he could well play left of 3 with your favourite at 6.

    Not that it matters. It picked hyppia which is fine and that but he'd simply not suit one bit imo to a klopp system of a high line.
     
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  15. Milk..

    Milk.. Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> Not a chance, I agree... but that wasn't my list. (I think it was programmed by Jimmy <whistle>)
     
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    It's a machine, innit? It knows **** all about football, it's just going on statistics and such.
    A bit like TV commentators.
    Hendo was our captain during Klopp's peak years, which are our most successful of the PL era, so it's not surprising Marvin threw him in there.
     
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    All these best 11 teams ignore the actual team which to me is the only thing that matters . All great teams are great purely because they are a team .
     
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    And not even the statistics one would expect. LLM AI is basically just really advanced auto-predict that your phone uses when you text. So it predicts what it thinks would most likely come next in the sentence based on what you wrote and what millions of other people have written in all sorts of sources (including statisics)
     
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