BREAKING: The Premier League has released a statement, after it was announced that Premier League clubs will be asked to vote on a possible abolition of VAR.What do you think?
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BREAKING: The Premier League has released a statement, after it was announced that Premier League clubs will be asked to vote on a possible abolition of VAR.What do you think?
I'm on the fence.
I feel the end target is fix it as I cannot see this lot.beimg the only.major league without var
(Sweden never put it in but don't count)
However most fans I think absolutely hate var and imo most hate it due to offside check at every goal.
We will be debating the same pen and red card decisions anyway. If they left var for pens and reds and just made it a refs call to see again or a manager review call it'd be something
If they can automate offside (rule is too complex imo with active stuff) then great but imo they are trying g far too hard to get zero real advantage offsides right
I feel the end target is fix it as I cannot see this lot.beimg the only.major league without var
(Sweden never put it in but don't count)
However most fans I think absolutely hate var and imo most hate it due to offside check at every goal.
We will be debating the same pen and red card decisions anyway. If they left var for pens and reds and just made it a refs call to see again or a manager review call it'd be something
If they can automate offside (rule is too complex imo with active stuff) then great but imo they are trying g far too hard to get zero real advantage offsides right
Lots to say that's already been said previously on the subject. I will assume that it won't get voted down and will be kept in place, so going forward with it, take out the clear and obvious element.
I agree with both those points. I've made no secret of the fact that it ruins games for me, but I can't see it being scrapped.
It does help clear up some things that the ref misses, but the disruption to the flow, and the fact that I can no longer celebrate a goal instantly because I know they're going to try everything they possibly can to try and rule it out, is too high a price for me.
As I don't care if a player is offside by a millimetre or two I'm happy to leave offsides for the lino to decide - it's rare enough for truly egregious errors in that department so I'll live with it when they do happen.
VAR should have been strangled at birth, but it's a big ugly bastard now. I wouldn't be sad if it was scrapped, but I really can't see it happening, so I can only hope they learn to use it sparingly and appropriately.
Tbh, having written all of that, I realise that the issue is such a unholy ****ing mess that I can't even decide how to answer the yes or no question. It should be an asset, and I'd like to see it become one, but at the moment it's just dreadful.
It frustrates me.
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Wont be scraped as clubs are too scared of missing out on title CL or being relegated on a shocker of a call.
But they need to do something. They need to stop re-referring every single thing and stopping the games when ball is dead to check and then 10 seconds later play on.
Give each team 1 review. You have up to 10/20 seconds after the incident to call a review (but you aren’t allowed to see a replay). If it’s an absolute howler you won’t need a replay and can call it right away. Ref will review it and decide if made an error.
Much like cricket, you waste your review on something pathetic it’s lost and that’s it.
But they need to do something. They need to stop re-referring every single thing and stopping the games when ball is dead to check and then 10 seconds later play on.
Give each team 1 review. You have up to 10/20 seconds after the incident to call a review (but you aren’t allowed to see a replay). If it’s an absolute howler you won’t need a replay and can call it right away. Ref will review it and decide if made an error.
Much like cricket, you waste your review on something pathetic it’s lost and that’s it.
When you see a ref guess and blindly guess at times.on the microphone saying his hand is on the ground (odengaard) or get gets the ball ( recent forest pen shout) then this is the true root cause of our issues
As long as refs are guessing and not.willing to.put hand up and say stop let's review that it.might be a pen or red card then you get controversy.
If a ref called his own TV review and was just shown a replay and made his mind up then fine..stop the game.
But if.you are just guessing and then your mate is there backing you not reviewing the actual.call and evidence then he might as well not be there.
The standard of reffing is abysmal. As a result the guy who's poor.as a ref then makes var poor as well.
Improve the standard of refs then use the tech in a positive way. It's actually.ok to.say I'm not sure on this weather than making a blatantly.false statement up.to justify a guess.
And this is also why thry don't want to be miked up. They hate the fact their incompetence is shown up
As long as refs are guessing and not.willing to.put hand up and say stop let's review that it.might be a pen or red card then you get controversy.
If a ref called his own TV review and was just shown a replay and made his mind up then fine..stop the game.
But if.you are just guessing and then your mate is there backing you not reviewing the actual.call and evidence then he might as well not be there.
The standard of reffing is abysmal. As a result the guy who's poor.as a ref then makes var poor as well.
Improve the standard of refs then use the tech in a positive way. It's actually.ok to.say I'm not sure on this weather than making a blatantly.false statement up.to justify a guess.
And this is also why thry don't want to be miked up. They hate the fact their incompetence is shown up
When you see things like the Doku challenge on Macallister that the ref either missed or thought was alright and the VAR says 'they both go in high' when they clearly didn't, how do you fix that?
Standards and tests for corruption
Refereeing standards are really low now. They are getting worse and worse and I though graham poll when he started was the pits!!!
The newer refs seem to be total spoofers or worse look incredibly biased/bought off.
Var is only a tool just like goal line tech.
We have seen 1 single instance that goal line tech failed in what 10-25 years?
Var could work that way but on if refs themselves.made use of a video replay appropriately.
It is seen as a challenge to theory authority not as a tool.
I honestly think they feel its like a back seat driver they don't want and some refs seem to get into just box and work to rule like as if they are in a union dispute.
I do think some eefs on var duty honestly go into back any ref on the park decision no matter what.
Delete the ref in the box. Reduce the score and just make it something a ref must look at on a manager appeal or something he chooses himself to report to when not sure.
If a ref can stand up and justify his decision out loud to a full stadium after a manager makes an appeal then he better have his facts right. Refs are experts into he laws of the gsme and should be able to talk through an incident in 30 seconds.
Any longer and it's a marginal cal imo.
We want refs knowing they can't wave off dangerous play or give a yellow to keep a player on the park.
We also want refs to know they don't have to be scared of being shown to have been conned by divers so rather than waving off stuff they can look again. It is "ok" to have a look and admit you arr human ffs.
I find it amazing how badly VAR has been implemented. If the refs thought, right this has been forced on us, let's **** it up good and proper, I dont think it could be any worse.
There's always going to be contentious descions, different interpretations.
But how hard would it be for VAR to be just used as a back up to the ref, an aid.
The ref can ask, did he get the ball first, was there contact, did it hit his hand, where his studs up etc, no need to go and have a look at a video and slow everything down, just ask if your not 100% and get a bit of help.
There's always going to be contentious descions, different interpretations.
But how hard would it be for VAR to be just used as a back up to the ref, an aid.
The ref can ask, did he get the ball first, was there contact, did it hit his hand, where his studs up etc, no need to go and have a look at a video and slow everything down, just ask if your not 100% and get a bit of help.
I accept referees make mistakes, I don't accept VAR making blatant errors.
I agree, referees are getting worse.
One more thing to add, no referees should be getting paid to go to Saudi to officiate when they own man city.
People seem to be overthinking this imo. The simple answer is that it's ****ing awful and has ruined the game as a live spectacle.
The Championship has been great this season. When a controversial decision is made there is minimal argument and everyone just gets on with the game. Almost as if that worked perfectly fine for well over a century.
No chance it will be binned but would be amazing if they did.
The Championship has been great this season. When a controversial decision is made there is minimal argument and everyone just gets on with the game. Almost as if that worked perfectly fine for well over a century.
No chance it will be binned but would be amazing if they did.
Even If it is binned it wont eliminate the main problem. My stance on this has always been that VAR is fine - its the idiots using it that are the problem.
This is why I said I'd accept the odd bad error from the lino. Like Diaz at Spurs, the lino calls it off and the TV later shows it to be on - we'd moan about it for a while but ultimately accept it was human error. The fiasco essayed between the pitch and VAR was just unacceptable.
I've said that all along.
I'm just resigned to the fact that it's here to stay, so we have to try and improve it as best we can.
You coming back up next season then?