At last, well done mephistopheles. I don't get it sometimes with F1. Football, cricket, the Olympics etc, men are proper men and support their own. I can only conclude that as F1 is a technical sport it attracts more than its fair share of nerds who don't really understand sport and man's tribal instinct to support his clan, team or country; i.e. SilverArrow and EternalMSC.
Oh dear, all I am saying is to calm it down with the Mclaren "our boys" thread, and make sure you cover all bases/don't exclude other users on this forum.
Eternal, I haven't excluded anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion which I respect. Being a good honest right wing Tory I believe in freedom of speech. Peace.
I disagree with that EMSC. Nothing wrong with 'our boys'. We have had to listen to you crow on about Schumacher and Germans in general so don;t get all uptight when somone posts up a general good luck message about British drivers.
But I don't try to generalise others as Schumacher supporters do I, that's the thing. When was the last time I produced a good luck thread to Schumacher, good luck trying to find one
Why can someone not generalise about wishing British drivers good luck!? I am not deeply patriotic as there are some british drivers I don't like, but I am not that distant that I don't appreciate a British sportsman doing well. If nationality was of such little importance, why do the drivers have their country's flag on their car and hung behind them on the podium? How would Vettel/Alonso etc feel if their home flag were not raised after a victory? Nationality matters to some, not all, but some. To try and silence them is a form of oppression.
1) By letting the minority of Mclaren un-supporters read the title of the thread and making them feel alienated, something I have been stressing for decades. We are not all British Mclaren supporters, things that should be taken into account, and sometimes is done by the intelligent open-minded users. And after being called a nerd from a tribal clan, I am sure True (the user you are trying to back up) is not one. Saying I am oppressing someone is exasperating response to someone giving some advice.
Etranl, you've only got yourself to blame really. Would you sit amongst England fans at Wembley and cheer on the German team? I think you'd feel pretty alienated if you did.
So you are saying that because I am a minority on here that I should sit back and be quiet? True, that is oppression. And no I won't be quiet, I am a voice for the minority - and I couldn't give a monkeys what the majority think.
What bollox Manny. Any 'intelligent open-minded' user would either choose to read it, or ignore it. That is the point (and beauty) of a forum. What a lonely ****e place this would be if the only articles that were posted up were balanced, reasoned, unbiased, all-enveloping subjects that created no debate because they neither were in support or disapproval of a particular topic or person. If you disagree, post up your disagremment, as you have done. But don;t then request someone to stop posting about a particular subject just becuase it doesn't sit comfortabley with you.
Oh dear, how giving advice on a thread can cause conflict. And cause me being called a nerd from a tribal clan because I am a minority - forums these days
Remember this? http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/100828-Vettel-s-spin-your-first-thought./page5 Tell me that is not generalising a nationality? If True, or anyone, did the same but with British drivers, you'd throw a fit. Practice what you preach Manny.
Read the last sentence, and also was this a whole thread or a comment on thread? I am not alienating users on the forum. I am discussing the drivers nationalities and how they affect the performance on track. There is a vast difference between drivers performances on grid which is prominent in their nationalities, this was a open comment that was debateable for all users. The thread Trueblue opened completely excluded others by generlising "users nationalities" not "drivers nationalities". Read between the lines and understand things before you post Chris.
Is it wrong for our Prime Minister to send messages of good luck to th England football team, the British Olympic squad etc? Would you get offended that he has sent a message that alienates any one who is not British who listens to that message? Whether it was a comment on a thread, or a thread itself, you generalised. If you would like to do a thread to back the German drivers, or any nationality, without being specific about which one, then feel free to do so. You may receive negative comments but you will also get positive ones, but there is nothing stopping you from doing this.
This is an online forum that includes people and supporters from all around Europe, if not the world. I was not taking users nationalities and generlising them as true did, thus the advice of being careful not to alienate (this word is being battered) people. Thus the reason I do not make threads on specific drivers and teams anymore is because of the abuse I will get in return, as I am a minority I will most certainly get abuse like being called a tribal clan nerd for instance. I am sure his comments are excellent to you Cosi, as would Bergies' and Trues'... Goodnight, I have an early start tomorrow at work. Sleep tight.
Generally, I always support British drivers and teams. Having a Brit to cheer on brings an extra something to a race for me... even if they are languishing at the back of the field. When they win, I do personally feel a sense of pride... It's nice to know that occasionally, we can take on the World and win... especially when we (Britain) are so good at being the plucky looser. On saying that, there are some British drivers that I haven't supported because I simply don't like them and I even found myself cheering on Schumacher, despite the tension between he and Hill. Oddly, I was also a massive Rickard Rydell fan in the BTCC and still have a ton of signed programmes. (Them were the days) We all have different reasons for giving our support. Sometimes it's nation, sometimes it's because you simply like their style and sometimes it's because they are just something special that almost demands your support. Bottom line... True is quite within his rights to support "our boys", but on the other hand needs to ease off on people supporting foreign drivers. Not everybody is patriotic and nor should they have to be, but also, True shouldn't have to lose or disguise his patriotism.
All I'm saying is nerds are the best. Oh, and respect all personal choices, no matter who you support or where your from. On a side note if you really believe someone to be a troll, why feed them?
On a lighter note, as I have respect for you both I agree with Bhaji and Bright. Feeding the troll can be avoided and without my comments he wouldn't have said what he did. But he was out of order to say this. This forum is completed with users from the four corners of the Europe , but this should be respected. On my part, I apologise for generlising the nationalities of F1 drivers, but True should take care not to abuse other users like me and not to isolate others. As I said a few minutes ago, good night for the last time
