1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2019
    Messages:
    10,847
    Likes Received:
    12,854
    Good point re the polarisation of opposing sides and the quality of studies used or quoted. The need to improve care and provide balanced research that would bring that about may well suffer from budgetary restraints.
     
    #43881
    shoot_spiderman likes this.
  2. Schrodinger's Cat

    Schrodinger's Cat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    5,643
    Likes Received:
    8,777
    One problem I see immediately is that research into affirmative surgery is that it becomes experimentation on people until they get it right, if ever.
    I understand and agree that trans people exist, but I am against surgery of any kind to facilitate a physical change. Seems like it's changing the hardware to fix a software problem.
     
    #43882
  3. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

    Joined:
    May 14, 2011
    Messages:
    5,274
    Likes Received:
    6,813
    I share your difficulty with surgery, but I'm careful about being definitive on the whole Gender subject, I don't have enough experience to do that

    All new medical procedures are a kind of 'experimenation on people', its different when you make the person aware of the risks & benefits and they choose to take the risk
    There's also a Triage phase, where experts need to assess the likely medical balance of risks & benefits, before its offered
    There's also a previous Test phase which minimises risks as far as possible, but as you say this is more limited when you're talking Surgery & Psychology, however living as a different gender for a period must form part of this

    This is simpler with adults, Introducing new procedures for minors, introduces a whole raft of issues on consent, risks and benefits and we need to tread very carefully

    I think its interesting that in the past many people realised they were gay (or different?) at a young age but didn't come out till much later
    More 'liberal' attitudes, especially with the young, mean they can come out earlier now
    It's a similar situation to Gender until you get to the Medical aspect

    This is a complex topic, but we need to be able to talk about it
    I wouldn't do it anywhere online except here
     
    #43883
  4. It'sOnlyAGame

    It'sOnlyAGame Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2017
    Messages:
    3,664
    Likes Received:
    7,515
    Yep, sounds about right to me.
     
    #43884
    shoot_spiderman likes this.
  5. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,162
    Likes Received:
    21,324
    Common sense

    TRADE union laws breach workers rights and legitimise bad conduct by bosses, the UK’s highest court has ruled.

    Five Supreme Court justices unanimously ruled the UK has breached its duties on the right to join lawful industrial action.

    It follows the case of a care worker suspended for joining a pay strike in 2019.

    Yesterday, Lady Simler found the law had no protection against sanctions short of dismissal intended to deter union members from striking.

    She said it “encourages unfair and unreasonable conduct by employers”.

    Unions called it a “monumental victory”.
     
    #43885
  6. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    39,327
    Likes Received:
    39,259
    You can see why the same lunatics who want to take us out of the ECHR also want to abolish the Supreme Court.
     
    #43886
  7. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    32,168
    Likes Received:
    37,363
    Wonder if the Mail has this as front page news?
     
    #43887
  8. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    32,168
    Likes Received:
    37,363
  9. Shandy_top_89

    Shandy_top_89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2015
    Messages:
    4,114
    Likes Received:
    5,825
    Guardian reckons the Governments plan for dealing with Thames Water is....

    Nationalise Thames Water, pay off £15bn debt with taxpayer money, resell.

    Honestly if that were to happen we should go after every Conservative MP, Lord, donor and member, remove their passports and proceed to empty every asset they own back into the public purse, then leave them all destitute and trapped. Rishi's family alone could make a nice chunk of that.
     
    #43889
  10. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,162
    Likes Received:
    21,324
    I’m no economist but this guy, professor of accounting at Sheffield University, reckons that he has the answer.

     
    #43890
    shoot_spiderman and StJabbo1 like this.

  11. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,162
    Likes Received:
    21,324
    James O’Brien on LBC has spotted it, and so has the Times, which JO’B is quoting from.

     
    #43891
    saintrichie123 and StJabbo1 like this.
  12. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2019
    Messages:
    10,847
    Likes Received:
    12,854
    The Rishi rich spinometer.
    please log in to view this image
     
    #43892
    shoot_spiderman likes this.
  13. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    56,779
    Likes Received:
    63,618

    Is that before or after making them swim in the Thames?
     
    #43893
    Schrodinger's Cat likes this.
  14. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,162
    Likes Received:
    21,324
    Two cracking ideas from the government, over the last few days.

    1) Target people with mental health problems and stop them from being able to claim PIP by taking the process for being signed off sick, with a mental health issue, away from the GPs and give them to…… Who? I have seen mention of getting “other” health workers to do this, yet there is a shortage of mental health professionals available and there are currently 1.9 million people with mental health issues on the waiting list, whose mental health will continue to deteriorate without treatment!!!

    Rishi Nosac kept on speaking about the need to get these people back into work, “as it would be beneficial to them”, which might be partly true, but totally untrue if the cause of the mental health issues are work related.
    I have had a job that I couldn’t resign from because of economic reasons - it paid reasonably well and I wasn’t able to secure another job at the time - but it was giving me so much stress that I had to seek help from the doctor. For a while I was on anti depressants, which eased the problem slightly, but I still remember the days when I arrived at the car park and sat in my car for several minutes trying to get my thoughts together and control the nausea that I felt, before feeling able to enter the workplace.
    Leaving that company and type of work was an instant remedy to my mental anxiety and I have never felt like that since.
    Attacking people with mental health issues and trying to deliberately stigmatise them is just another low being set by an inhumane political party.

    2) Rail companies are consistently failing to achieve a variety of targets, such as customer service, ticket office, toilets available, cleanliness etc, all that are linked to the bosses of the companies receiving bonuses if they achieve their goals.
    The government response, apparently, is to reduce the percentage scores needed to achieve the goals, thus making the bonuses more achievable, instead of rinsing the companies and perhaps making them pay a punitive fine (probably not in the contracts, but if not, why not?).
     
    #43894
    tiggermaster and ChilcoSaint like this.
  15. It'sOnlyAGame

    It'sOnlyAGame Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2017
    Messages:
    3,664
    Likes Received:
    7,515
    I have no personal experience of PIPs but the fact that assessors have targets and are generally not doctors is a concern. They aren't on bonuses as has been bandied around quite a lot though.
    Any illness that can't be physically assessed is always going to be difficult to diagnose and because of that it's probably seen as a good route for the dishonest claimant. But if anyone is best placed to make an informed opinion on mental health it is surely a doctor? Presumably, the DWP think doctors are favouring the patients too much and have put in another qualifying stage between a doctor's diagnosis and receiving the benefit.
    I think it is a difficult area to deal with because people with genuine illness should always be treated with sympathy both medically and financially. But, although rooting out the cheats is sometimes challenging, I'm not sure that current PIP assessment is the right way to go.
     
    #43895
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2024
    thereisonlyoneno7 likes this.
  16. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,162
    Likes Received:
    21,324
    I think Nosac stated that the doctors, in an attempt to maintain a cordial relationship with the patient (not sure of the exact words but the video is out there), are just signing the patient off sick, which is extremely patronising to the doctor and also calls into question their professionalism.
    The PIP assessment itself should be totally down to the medical profession, people with the proper expertise and not someone at the end of a phone following a crib sheet and ticking boxes. Especially, as you say, an illness that can’t be physically assessed is difficult to diagnose.
    The only positive about the speech is that it is something he wants to bring in “during his next government”, so is likely not going to happen.
     
    #43896
  17. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,162
    Likes Received:
    21,324
    Some interesting stuff in the news today, other than the post about Jill Dando I put in the Goodhand Arms thread.


    The increase in what Thames Water wants to charge its customers for putting their system right could be equal to 60% by 2030, when inflation is factored in.

    Flights to Rwanda are set for June, apparently.

    Smart motorway information signs have suffered 397 failures from June 22 - Feb 24, meaning that there are no warnings about broken down cars ahead, in the inside lane.

    A Tory Parliamentary employed as a researcher by Alicia Kearns, chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee, and with close links to Tom Tugendhat, Security Minister, has been charged with spying for China.
     
    #43897
  18. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    39,327
    Likes Received:
    39,259
  19. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,799
    Likes Received:
    14,157
    Can’t find money for Nurses or the NHS.
    Can’t find money for Teachers.
    Can’t find money for enforcing the border properly
    Can’t find money for the police
    Can’t find money for nuclear power stations
    Can’t find money for stopping sewage going into rivers
    Can’t find money even for ****ing potholes….

    Magically find £75billion for bombs to drop on random countries.

    I really ****ing hate politicians man. Utter utter pricks
     
    #43899
  20. OddRiverOakWizards

    OddRiverOakWizards Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Messages:
    9,020
    Likes Received:
    3,002

Share This Page