They really need Bojo back. Phwaaa phwaaaaaaa phwa phwaaaaaaaa.
Or maybe Liz Truss.
Pork marketssssssssss!!!
Election 2024
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They really need Bojo back. Phwaaa phwaaaaaaa phwa phwaaaaaaaa.
Or maybe Liz Truss.
Pork marketssssssssss!!!
Still think it’s not impossible they do a last minute deal with Farage/Reform to avoid a pasting. Hopefully not. I want Jeremy Hunt crying in a sports centre.
It's an incredible paradox the lunatics in the Tories have put themselves in. The more they fear Reform the more populist and further to the right they go. The more populist and further to the right they go the more credible they make Reform look as a mainstream option.
Had they any sense they would've distanced themselves from those idiots not try to out do them. Reform would've been consigned to the fringes. Having said that I doubt they'll get any MPs.
The funny thing is when Reform do split the Tory vote, the Party will probably swing even further towards their political beliefs after the GE.
A Reform deal wouldn't stop the Tory home base in the south collapsing
And what would the "deal" be? We don't stand in marginals?
There aren't going to be any marginal seats.
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JFK Jnr is a conspiracy nut who absolutely appeals to the Trump vote.
Not many diehard Democrats are anti-vaxx mongs.
He's a problem for Republicans
I think he has a deal with trump to stir up. He has gone full batshit crazy in the last 6 months. He will help steal Biden voters, he is a more batshit version of Tice.
I don't see this threat from Reform, I'm not sure what makes people even think they're any sort of a credible threat. Just seems laughable to me and I see myself as a swing voter.
I think those that vote Tory and there are a lot around me, are not going to change that stance, I made the mistake of thinking they would in whenever the last local elections were, they didn't. Don't get me wrong, Tories will collapse, but they have a hardcore of voters in the same way Labour do, that's not going to change.
Have Reform even got enough candidates to make any credibel challenge on the usual status quo, I don't see it. There is no Brexit to fall back on, approaching it from the immigration angle, as I suspect they will, will just be following another Tory trope, which will be a mistake in my eyes.
Labour will win convincingly, Tories will retain a hardcore, and Reform will disappear into the wildnerness is my prediction, sorry Lib Dems who?
I think those that vote Tory and there are a lot around me, are not going to change that stance, I made the mistake of thinking they would in whenever the last local elections were, they didn't. Don't get me wrong, Tories will collapse, but they have a hardcore of voters in the same way Labour do, that's not going to change.
Have Reform even got enough candidates to make any credibel challenge on the usual status quo, I don't see it. There is no Brexit to fall back on, approaching it from the immigration angle, as I suspect they will, will just be following another Tory trope, which will be a mistake in my eyes.
Labour will win convincingly, Tories will retain a hardcore, and Reform will disappear into the wildnerness is my prediction, sorry Lib Dems who?
When it gets closer to the date these independent candidates tend to drop off the map.
The election will be super close over there. Not here tho.
I agree, think the Reform talk is utter nonsense. All the by-elections and local elections I've seen has not seen any Reform performance.
The biggest issue the Tories have is that their voters are actually dying, the majority of Tory voters are getting older and older and they're not finding new ones.
A ton of people who voted for Cameron were still people who fondly remembered Thatcher according to studies.
That was 14 years ago.
Whilst Labour have a ton of young voters and now 30-40 year old voters who actually fondly remember the former Labour gov.
My Grandparents loved her and anyone who says people didn't like Thatcher are completely out of touch.
That Norwegian football commentator thought he’s brown bread now too. Head smashed in outside a pub. He took a hell of a beating.
I agree I don't see Reform getting a seat tbh. However they will take some of the tory vote. I disagree about the immigrant thing, I think there are a sizeable tory minority who think Reform speak for them. There'll be a lot of "woke" and minority stuff that will attract some bcos they're disillusioned that Tories who they see as the "establishment" will talk loud but not do anything about. It will take some imo.
Agree about the Tory base, I don't see many switching away but they'll stay at home. Tories GE campaign should really focus on getting their dyed in the wool base out probably along the lines of, do you really want your safe Tory constituency turning Labour??
Same token, I think Labour should also focus on getting the voters out. The shadow of Kinnock 1992 looms large again imo (to a certain extent) and if I was them I wouldn't just want the win, I'd be looking to do maximum damage.
My Granddad ****ing hated her with a passion
My Grandad got middle class status during the Thatcher years. Those folks were big supporters of her, for obvious reasons.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/23206-margaret-thatcher-public-view-40-years
Thatcher is devisive, but she has even now a decent approval rating. People liked her.
Blair figured it out. It's why he won and the rest of the Labour boys got ass raped.
Didn't she say her biggest achievement was Tony Blair ?
My Granddad used to call her Maggie Snatcher, because she set in motion some of the biggest transfers of wealth from public taxpayer owned assets to private ownership.
That said, my parents voted Tory when I was growing up, because it allowed them to buy their council house for a song and when they retired and sold that, they were able to buy a nice house in Sussex which they never would have been able to afford otherwise.
Personally, I thought she was a ****. Even at a young age I could see that she was trying to destroy the working class, their values and instil a dog eat dog capitalist mentality shaped on a US model of private enterprise, which was supposed to be more efficient and make more money, thereby providing better services. When in reality it was just designed to make profit for the already wealthy.
She was the architect of the "Nasty Party"
The Tories under Thatcher seemed to genuinely have disdain for a portion of British society.
I don't think a post-war PM had such an outlook before or since.
She had no problem viewing entire cities as a waste.
She didn't believe in Society
Her ideology was that we're all individuals competing with each other to get to the top
She genuinely thought that would raise standards, and those who didn't make it were feckless and lazy and deserved to rot