Conspiracy needs a grand overarching goverment cover up really. Its pretty clear the government in volved in that case you mention comepltely ****ed it up. Of course its dodgy. Which way nobody can know. I wouldn't be giving the parents the time of day and the media that do so are of a type. Theres still a very possible explanation that one of them did do it. Its equally posibsle someone else did and wasn't caught due to incompetence or dealys or just whatever. Vacinnes though as completely different kettle of fish. mind if i ask if your parents jabbed you to death as a kid for measles, mumps, rubella melingitus and such? The benefits are quite evident and robust there. Overall theres more bad stuff people put in themvels on a daily basis than these vaccines but injections bypass the bodies filters so are a whole other level of risk. Thats why theres stringent controls.
thats not true though. It was tested. theres a different between safety stage 1 testing and stage 2 or 3 efficacy testing. I think its fine to say the effectiveness of this thing was not really tested widely and done quick but the safety test results were well known. As were the possible sideeffects. Every drug we take has side effects being reported from safety testing. In reality we have now a body of billions of vaccinations and no more cases that the initial testing highlighted of issues.
I don't want to start an argument, I accept your point of view, but I think it's worth putting forward my own. "Believing" something doesn't amount to much unless you have convincing evidence to cause that belief. The specialisation of humanity over millennia means that as individuals we know very little about the majority of things that affect our lives outside of our own limited areas of expertise, and we have to rely on the expertise of others for the majority of things. I don't know how to fly a plane, so when I get on one I have to trust that the people up front do. I know nothing about them, but I have to trust that the recruitment and training procedures are adequate to ensure that they are able to do a job that is responsible for the lives of many. The same applies to medicine, I know nothing about it, so I have to trust that the people who spend their lives (and the generations that have gone before them) studying these things have as good an idea about it as it's possible to get. And that there are reasonable safety procedures in place to try and minimise errors. Can they get it wrong? Of course, but taking the advice of the experienced and knowledgable people in any field is more likely to give the best results than going on our gut feelings. I've no doubt that there are some people who have had bad reactions to covid vaccinations, just as there have been similar problems with other medical procedures, but I think the figures show that they have overwhelmingly saved more lives than they have jeopardised. The only arguments against that that I can see would be the ones saying the figures are all lies - and then we are straying into conspiracy land. A lot of the resistance in my experience came down to an anti-authoritarian tendency. Now I don't trust senior politicians further than I can spit, but they weren't the ones formulating the policy - in fact many of them actively resisted or ignored it believing they knew better. Again, I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conviction, just suggesting another way of looking at it.
I presume you mean meningitis? I had meningitis as a child - that quickly rid me of my fear of needles, I was like a bloody pincushion. Lumbar puncture - not nice. Not quite the same as a vaccine I know, but antibiotics are the only reason I'm here to annoy you lot today. And for anyone who doesn't know, antibiotics were only widely used about 20 years before I was born, and before them meningitis was a 100% killer. Could be one reason I'm not as distrustful of the medical profession as some people I know.
You're older than I thought by over 1000 years! Ancient Egyptians used penicillin. They just didn't know they were using penicillin, but it was widespread in its use. There are many accounts of Egyptians using moldy bread (penicillin) to treat wounds.
that's the thing. i think people don't equate pipping pills or what goes up their nose or in their lungs with injections for some odd reason
Antivirals have never really been on the same level of success as antibiotics... But they have thousands of years of history too... Specific example I can think of is honey. Honey is an antiviral which is why it was often applied to wounds, and one reason it helps a sore throat today.
Yeah all good points however there's so called evidence to support both people like me and those who then think I'm talking nonsense. It's crazy out there and finding the right answer is virtually impossible. I used the word believe to highlight that it's my opinion and even though there is some searching for answers my belief is unfortunately based on the personal experience of people dropping dead around me and in numbers that make no sense.
Obviously people with a point to chose will pick data that supports their own theories... And that is true for both sides. There is a lot more data suggesting the vaccine is safe than not safe though. ... And I suspect a lot of the anti-vaccine data is more correlation than causation. A new deadly virus going around and healthy people dying... Maybe it's the disease causing it not the vaccine? It's like the clasic "ice cream causes people to drown" theory, as Ice Cream consumption goes up, so do deaths by drowning. (Ice Cream doesn't cause drowning, hot weather causes more people to swim and more people to eat Ice Cream) Also people wearing masks for months (which absolutely was the right thing to do at the time but DOES have a downside). If your body isn't exposed to germs your immune system doesn't stay strong. Taking a mask off after wearing one for months you're more susceptible to viruses. Even if there are strong links to death due to vaccine in the future though, I still think it was the right thing to do. It undoubtedly saved millions of lives and we didn't know what long term effects of COvid would be. It was a gamble worth taking.
It's difficult - I have some things that are dietary-related and trying to get info on the internet is deadly. There are articles making contradictory claims, food-fad pushers recommending their own particular preferences as though they're applicable to all, and the usual snake-oil peddlers trying to sell you their cure-alls. I did find a couple of proper papers in scientific journals, but they were far too technical for my little brain.
It's easier to say now but we should have locked down and vaccinated the vulnerable and people who wanted the vaccine instead of the scare mongering and insistence that everyone takes it.
And some statements can be true without being full picture. Like the high protein diets... Yes, people lose weight on them. (The whole picture though is shorter lifespan eating too much protein and lowered immune system... So yeah, it will help you lose weight but not help you be healthy)
Yes, because I didn't have a choice as a kid. Not had much since other than a tetanus or pain killers. I've rejected meningitis jab but probably just young and arrogant at the time, I was only 18 Obviously, I also rejected COVID; it was totally unproven and I refuse to put anything in my body without knowledge of what it is or what it will do (once injected, there's no going back) I never had an issue with others wanting it, each to their own. Totally get those considered high risk getting it. However, I didn't like it when they tried to force it on people though; there was zero reasoning behind trying to force it. Time as only proven that trying to force it was wrong, especially when it came to children (imo, this was extremely wrong). It's more proven now, why is it no longer pushed as hard? The entire thing was handle very poorly and can totally see why "conspiracy theories" are rampant. I don't want to get into this debate though, I was merely just answering a question you directed at me personally. I've stated plenty of times on here that I don't want to talk about this (this is the most I've said) because it caused me a lot of mental illness (the amount of **** I got from family and work was ridiculous), some on here are aware of this as I've spoken to them privately (they kindly offered me support which was very much appreciated and continues to be too)
I think a real proper effective full vaccination/lockdown would have worked better than the half-hearted one we had... ... But only if the whole world took part. You have to look at China, their brutal crackdown on COVID really worked for a long time, but because the rest of the world was more lax COVID had a large pool to mutate in and form new variants in. Once China opened their doors they were overrun with COVID. One of the reason SARS never became a pandemic is because it was easy to identify and lock down early on before it spread to a bunch of places that couldn't isolate it. COVID has already spread too much before it was taken seriously.
