15 minute cities don't lock people in dystopian style sectors or anything like that. You can move around as much as you want, just as you can now. Want to go across town to do your shopping? Go for it. The idea is that everyone should live within 15 minutes of the daily essentials so they don't have to travel if they can't, don't want to, or the means are unavailable, such as no public transport that day. It's an increase in services, not a limit on movement. Based on your fears of public transport strikes, that problem would be solved with a 15 minute city, as you would live within walking distance of everything you needed.
What if I wanted to travel to see City, an hour and more away from where I live if there was no public transport that day? Or go anywhere else if I had given up my car? What about people living in isolated areas?
Seeing City wouldn't be classed as an essential need, so that's not a problem a 15 minute neighbourhood is trying to fix. But helping people who live in isolated areas is one of the key aims. It's an urban planning tool, not an entire social system solution that exists in isolation without anything else alongside it. You would obviously still have a transport infrastructure too.
Oh, so anyone whole lives away and who has given their car up could forget watching City if they are in an isolated location or if there was a public transport strike? There are some who would consider supporting their club an essential need.
Obviously, in that very niche and very specific circumstance, someone probably wouldn't make the game. But that's no different now, without 15 minute neighbourhoods, is it?
So are the banks suddenly going to reopen all of thier local branches ther've shut down in the last 20 years, the government do likewise with all the post offices that they shut down ? are all the local butchers and greengrocers suddenly going to reappear, local hardware shops etc ?....i don't think so, does everyone have access to local green spaces for play/relaxation etc within 15 minutes walk ? fine in theory in practice it's never going to happen and shouldn't be forced on people !
My sister lives in Hackney, her family have given up their car, as have almost all her neighbours. Obviously, public transport in London is very good so for most of the time they have no issues, but if they ever do want to go out of London, there's a pool of various size cars that they can use whenever they like (you pay an annual fee and have access to a car for whenever you need one).
There's also pictures of electric cars from around that time, the same electric cars that cornered the market for decades, oh ... I have little type doubt ICE cars, with a different fuel type, will still prevail in the years to come. The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
I don't understand your response here. On one hand, you list lots of services that have shut, and would like to see reopen, which is a good thing. Then you mention needing to improve access to green spaces, which again is a good thing. Both of which a 15 minute neighbourhood would look to achieve. You make the benefits sound so good and then you say if it happened it would be forcing something on people they don't want? How so?
Brilliant schemes but I read the other day that many are having to shut down because they can't find insurers. Has this hit Hackney? https://claimsmag.co.uk/2024/03/community-car-clubs-face-closure-amid-insurance-crisis/
Because the idea of 15 minute cities are being pushed on people without any or little consultation, how many referendoms has there being giving people there chance to voice concerns ? yet it all of a sudden it seems to be happening all over both the uk and the world in lockstep ? All of those things i mentioned will never get returned to neighbourhoods, more's the pity because no government of any shade is even capable/competent enough to do so !
If you live in an isolated rural area, you're not going to be forced into a city. The idea is that the structure of cities will change to provide services, work places and green spaces to all NC - are there many who would willingly choose 2 hrs of commuting a day, plus the cost, rather than walking 15 mins? I don't think bank branches will ever return - I haven't been in one for at least 7 years, so am part of the problem. It's not great for the remaining pensioners who don't use banking apps or cash businesses.
Most concerns seem to be about the lack of consultations about concerns, yet there never actually seems to be many specific concerns about what would actually be achieved by a succesful 15 minute neighbourhood. I find it interesting as the places a lot people live are already 15 minute neighbourhoods without anything being implemented. Look at areas around Hull such as Cottingham and Hessle. They already tick the boxes for what a 15 minute neighbourhood would be. Seeing the government encourage more local business on the highstreet would always be an improvement though.The biggest improvements would be seen in the giant housing developments you see crop up outside of places like Milton Keynes, where you'll get thousands and thousands of houses, and if you're lucky, a Toby Carvery. It's unfortunate, but banks and post offices won't return as they are either privately owned businesses or operate independently of the government (as is the case with the post office) and have moved into more digital (and profitable) ways of operating. Maybe if the government controlled more of those services they would have more of an influence over how they were run and whether they were available to people locally.
She says she just borrows a friends car nowadays if it's for a short journey, for longer journeys she still uses ZipCar and is not aware of any issues.
Most of the Council estates were basically 15 minute Cities at the design stage. I do hope they've included the lessons learnt from the mistakes made, although Kingswood isn't exactly demonstrating that they have. The ones in other Cities tend to **** up because they enforce aspects of it, and add financial penalties, which is not a good way of encouraging their development. They need to be engineered far better than that.
When the first internal combustion engine vehicles came on the scene there was no support infrastructure for them, they replaced bit by bit the existing forms of personal transport like the horse and carriage, steam and electric powered ones by being better. I don't believe any government anywhere aided the growth of ICE vehicles populatity by subsidising their purchase price, or building at the tax payers expense fuel stations.
