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Match Day Thread Hull City v Stoke

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Mar 15, 2024.

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City win?

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  1. bradymk2

    bradymk2 Well-Known Member

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    He might have dodged the thrown cabbage otherwise
     
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  2. Howdentiger2

    Howdentiger2 Well-Known Member

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    Again, it's hopefully just a poor choice of words, which areas/players to mark etc would make much more sense
     
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  3. askewshair

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    Come on, of course he meant which areas and players to mark, and you know that.
     
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  4. Howdentiger2

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    I'm hoping and expect he did, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he ment exactly what he said either.
     
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  5. bradymk2

    bradymk2 Well-Known Member

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    Now whose over coaching and over analyzing ;)
     
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  6. balkan tiger

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    Things Rosie says, some time back after a particularly poor home performance he said we would never have see a performance that bad again. He was wrong.
     
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  7. Howdentiger2

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    Touche ;)
     
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  8. Cityzen

    Cityzen Well-Known Member

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    Now who’s over coaching and over analysing? Corrected with correct spelling and punctuation and the English spelling of analysing.
     
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  9. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    No, he was right.
    It wasn't that bad again.
    It was even friggin worse.
    That's progress eh.
     
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  10. BlackAndAmberGambler

    BlackAndAmberGambler Well-Known Member

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    Nowt to lose now so I’d stick Pandur in for the rest of the season
     
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  11. Benjo

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    The reason Delap is so sorely missed is because he drives us forward and keeps the ball most of the time, and from such deep positions too. He's been a cut above and has become almost irreplaceable, but largely because he seemingly doesn't follow the play book everyone else does. It's as if he succeeds in spite of the plan but he's been good enough to be the solo direct outlet and break forwards on his own. We need everyone else to start playing more instinctively like he has done this season and being more adventurous as an inevitable result. At this stage I can only assume the reason we haven't been doing this is down to what Rosenior is asking of the team. I can't shake the impression the players are too shackled when it comes to attacking because of the way we play. It's just far too slow. I'm not surprised they look clueless. By the time we're in a position to cross or shoot they're always up against ten defenders and the goalkeeper.

    I recently spoke of a glass ceiling and whether this play style can take us to the next level. I'm still yet to see that it could. This would be fine if we were truly a team that was still transitioning, but let's be honest - with the talent we have right now we should be scoring more goals than we do, or at least be creating more chances than we do. We've replaced some dead wood with genuine quality, but we still keep things too safe. Yes, it's rare we get tonked but it's even more rare we'll give someone a tonking. I've no problem with possession football, but you have to do something meaningful with it. Far too much of the 90 minutes passes by every game while both sides comfortably watch us pass around deep before recycling and doing the same again, then again then again. We'll advance a bit, then go back again without working any sort of chance, or we'll lose the ball because we can't pick out the perfect pass or cross through hordes of the opposition's players - all set up, in position and ready to deal with us by the time we've taken any sort of risk.

    We delay in committing numbers forwards and offering support - we don't attack with togetherness. By the time we've got players forwards we almost over commit to try and combat the numbers they've gotten back, but there's no space in and around the box. When that perfect ball doesn't happen and the cross or pass gets cut out, they've got a direct break on every time and we're the ones backtracking, which is exactly how the opposition will want us to be. They run direct and play into space and they've got us. Our play style works better away from home because teams will have a go and then we have that space to play into, naturally. If the opposition just sits back a bit, we come completely undone.

    Said after Sheff Weds at home we can't rely on worldies all season yet we're still doing it all too often. Where are the tap ins? Where are the well worked team goals? Where are the goals that take less than 45 passes to generate? Where's the urgency to make something happen, to stand up and roll the dice on picking that killer pass, making that surging run from deep?

    We're missing elements from this squad that Rosenior doesn't seem to think are required or necessary, such as someone to break up play - but he should be able to get a tune out of what we have? He still seems insistent that 'his' play style is the Holy Grail... So he's either wrong about that, or the talent we have right now still isn't good enough to pull it off. I don't think it's the latter. He needs to immediately reassess how he wants THIS team to play, determine what would be the most effective plan and play to the players' strengths in order to start creating chances. If that means simplifying the plan and moving away from the vision, or dropping certain players to achieve it then now is the time, because the current set up isn't working. He should also be starting the form players where possible. I'm thinking specifically of Ömur missing too many minutes.

    I feel for Rosenior. I want him to be successful with Hull City. But right now I don't see any signs of him making changes to an approach that only works to an extent, and the decision to persist with it is purely down to him and him alone. Say what you want about how we've spent so much of the season in the top 6, but I can't help but feel, due to the individual goals we've scored and the manner in which many of our goals have come this season, that we've been up there due to the quality of players we have at our disposal and essentially in spite of the master plan. It takes a wonder strike or a really good through ball to beat so many anticipating defenders in position, or it takes a really good long ball to set a chance up when you've invited so much pressure onto yourself from deep.

    Apologies for the length. Just the thoughts circling around about the current predicament.
     
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  12. Howdentiger2

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    Absolutely fantastic post
     
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  13. Benjo

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    It's been going on all season. Even when we do score we don't put games to bed. Often when we win we have these large periods of soaking up pressure due to managing a narrow lead. The biggest problem is how we play with the ball and there are no signs of it changing regardless of who we bring in. It's not that all these players are suddenly **** or don't care. The likes of Delap and by the looks of it Ömur too, have the ability to take opposition players out of the game, with directness, strength or trickery. They're a cut above, but taking those chances with the ball seemingly breaks the game plan. To a lesser extent Philogene and Carvalho have moments like that too. Philogene in particular has been singled out for showboating too much, but he often doesn't have the support around him anywhere near quickly enough. We talk about making the wrong decision at critical attacking moments but we get so few of these moments per game there's just no team cohesion when those moments do come around. We spend too long just having possession for possessions sake. I honestly believe there's an element of thinking the results will just come if they stick to the plan due to the obvious quality in areas of the squad.

    Out of possession there are issues, but I firmly believe they're partly a result of our possession tactics. The 'defensive' issues are small fry if your 68% possession is turning into 2, 3, 4 goals a game, or even 4 clear cut chances. We don't usually get 1 outstanding chance per game and it shows in the goals we're scoring.

    Every round there are teams that score multiple goals, even teams down near the bottom of the league - it happens in multiple fixtures every time teams in the league are playing. Our results are always 0-0, 1-0, 0-1, 1-1, 2-1 etc. We waste too much time doing nothing meaningful and we boil most games down to who can take one of their few chances. The problem right now is without a Delap and largely without an Ömur who seem to take defenders out of position, we spend ages crafting half chances and although the opposition don't have the ball, they're using space and directness to create better chances when they do come.
     
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  14. Off The Line

    Off The Line Well-Known Member

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    Now who's being choosy on the comments they pick up on. <doh>(Not arsed btw, just pointing out your penchant for hypocrisy).
     
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  15. Ron Burguvdy

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    There's been a recount and we won 3-2...
     
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  16. Howdentiger2

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    Another great post!
     
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  17. Cityzen

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    You omitted the question mark from the end of the first sentence. And as your second sentence was inside closed brackets the full stop should have been inside the brackets not outside.
     
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