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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by originallambrettaman, Nov 24, 2023.

  1. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    Was speaking to a colleague over a pint (weirdly enough, he agreed that our current squad is better in terms of talent) and he made a good point about Rosenior.

    As a manager starting out, you often learn as a coach from people above you, such as assistants and managers.

    Phil Brown learned from Sam Allardyce and Colin Todd.

    Rosie learned from Wayne Rooney and Graham Potter.

    Might be being harsh because I wouldn't mind Potter as our manager (if only for potential Phoenix Nights gags), but I doubt he learned much from Rooney, I don't even think Rooney learned much from Rooney's mistakes.

    I think the rest of the season will be deeply scrutinised by Tan and Acun. If Friday becomes the norm (cue some negheads saying it already is), then Acun will probably make a change at the end of the season, I don't think he'll wait until the first months of September.
     
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  2. NewcastleTiger

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    Given Rosenior joined Derby in July 2019 2 months after Potter joined Brighton I don’t think he did learn off Potter.
     
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  3. Tony Angelino

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    He won’t have learnt off Rooney…..who did Rooney learn off
     
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  4. Charon

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    we had a much better defence - they only conceded 47 all season - we've already shipped 48 - Turner and Brown were both significantly better than Greaves, Jones and Macca
     
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  5. bradymk2

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    Are southampton also struggling due to having an inexperienced manager?
    Relative ofcourse
    But with their squad perhaps they should be higher up
     
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  6. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    And Andy Dawson is one of the most under rated players we’ve ever had
     
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  7. SydneyTiger14

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    Martin isn't inexperienced. Moresca is more inexperienced and they are starting to struggle. McKenna reasonably inexperienced and Ipswich doing well. So it's a bit unpredictable.
     
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  8. Howdentiger2

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    Call me a neghesd if you want, but isn't that home performance/result the norm?

    As you probably know, there's starting to be a little push back from some of the players and it's never easy to recover from that
     
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  9. Kalman

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    Martin was fairly underwhelming at Swansea. Southampton hired him because he’s a young, possession-oriented coach and that fit in with the club’s philosophy. But many Saints’ fans questioned the appointment and still don’t think he’s the best man for the job. He’s very similar to Rosenior in that he’s young, inexperienced but also unwilling to adapt and be flexible with his tactics. ‘If Plan A isn’t working there is no Plan B, just make Plan A better’.

    There’s something to admire about young managers like Martin and Rosenior that are confident in their ideas but the downside is a rigid, bordering on arrogant, approach to tactics.

    Nuri Şahin, another young manager who likes to play high-pressing and possession football is a similar age to Martin and Rosenior. He retired from playing at Antalyaspor and then became their head coach. I’ve seen them play a few times on streams and read some articles about him on various tactico analysis sites and the thing that distinguished him from Rosenior and Martin was his tactical flexibility. He played under the likes of Klopp, Tuchel and Mourinho at the highest level in Europe at clubs like Liverpool, Dortmund and Madrid. He’s soaked up all that playing experience under great managers and applied it to his coaching. Sure, he prefers possession football but against better teams like Fenerbahçe, Galatasaray etc. he could sit deep and play counter-attacking football.

    If he didn’t go to Dortmund to be Terzic’s assistant, I would’ve loved Şahin as our next manager because I just don’t think Rosenior can take us any further.
     
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  10. hullborn

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    Rosenior unfortunately isnt just inexperienced, he's also not as good as he thinks he is.

    He doesnt even try to switch things up which tells me he's either incredibly stubborn or doesnt actually know how to fix the problems we have.

    Other than a few games, ive been bored when watching city at home this season. Its nice when we win of course but even then, the football is rarely what id call entertaining. Thats just my personal opinion of course as I know some enjoy it.

    I think if we completely drop off to mid table Acun will make a change this summer. He tried his friend Shota, he tried an inexperienced manager... he now needs to bring in the best person for the job with a good style of winning football and back him like he's backed Liam.
     
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  11. bradymk2

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    what about danny rohl?
     
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  12. NewcastleTiger

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    Martin wasn’t underwhelming at Swansea tbf he had a very average championship squad and with a little investment he’d have been right up there.

    They’re all still gutted he left.
     
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  13. NewcastleTiger

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    McKenna had nearly 15 years coaching experience prior to taking his first head coach job, versus Enzo and Rosie who had 4, and Martin who took over straight away.
     
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  14. SydneyTiger14

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    Not as a manager though.
     
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  15. SydneyTiger14

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    While out for a run I was listening to The Second Tier and did get me thinking whether we'd go for someone like him if Wednesday were to go down.
     
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  16. bradymk2

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    he's manager of the year easy if they stay up
    they were absolutely done

    and hes coached with Southampton, Germany, bayern, leipzig, he's rated highly
     
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  17. SydneyTiger14

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    Him or McKenna, yeah. Was impressed with what I saw when we played them.
     
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  18. bradymk2

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    we have 6 more points than them since he came in
     
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  19. NewcastleTiger

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    Agreed but being in a senior environment for a while especially in the current Man U set up would have anyone set up for life.

    Funny enough, 2 of the coaches deemed not good enough in Carrick and McKenna would probably be doing a better job than Ten Hag
     
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  20. Idi Amin

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    Cartoons, painting with potatoes, etc
     
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