I hate Man Utd but absolutely despise the Bin Dippers. Just chuffed I won’t have to listen to the National Anthem being booed during the English Cup Final that’s being played in the English National Stadium. If they hate all things English so much why don’t they **** off and form a Celtic League with the sectarian scum north of the border. Quadruple anyone?
Must be some mistake, Garth Crooks (this season's David Mellor?) predicted Luton to be relegated by Christmas. The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
Sounds as if Forest have dodged a bullet...You wait now for Everton to lodge an appeal against their 6 points deduction. Then if Forest stay up, all of the relegated three will kick off, saying they got off lightly. What a can of worms.
I HATE!!!! Forest .. where the hell does 4 points come from... how many were Wigan docked and what was it for, I honestly cant remember... did they not start minus 10 or was it Bolton...?..
The governing bodies need to sort this out. Points deductions for financial breaches need to be applied in the off-season for the following season and that needs to be made a rule. No more points deductions applied for the current ongoing season.
But as I’ve said before teams can go up having financially gained an advantage to get there , how do the rest accept that ! You go up into the Prem gain all that money and yea you’ve a negative start but you’ve still got three years extra bunce .
Brilliant, didn’t they vote against the brass for the EFL? In which they could soon be plying their trade .
Supporters should blame club owners – not the rules – for points deductions | Nottingham Forest | The Guardian Welcome to the Premier League’s latest sensational product innovation: the courtroom drama relegation battle. Two things seem certain after the decision to dock four points from Nottingham Forestover breaches of profitability and sustainability rules. First, this isn’t over by any measure. Buckle up for some really excellent legal wrangle content over the coming months as Forest, Everton and at least four other clubs cling like Indiana Jones on a collapsing rope bridge to a league table primed to shuffle and rejig with every fresh tribunal hearing and special circumstances appeal. And second, as supporters on all sides sift through issues of blame and fault, in a sport increasingly vulnerable to conspiracy theory and disinformation, it seems certain there will be plenty of people out there looking for someone to blame; all the while ignoring the most obvious candidates. At which point it is worth redefining some basic terms. Clubs may dislike the rules they signed up to. They may object, legitimately, to the extent of the sanction. But this process can’t be corrupt, or unfair, if the rules of a competition are transparent, unchanged and subject to warnings every time you get close to breaking them. It can’t be a conspiracy if you’re one of 20 parties who sign those rules off every year. This is in fact the opposite of a conspiracy. It’s due process in action. And while the sense of incompetence and double-dealing some Forest fans will feel is entirely justified, it would make a lot more sense if those feelings were directed towards their own club’s ownership. Who is really to blame here? The rules? Or a club executive that thought it was a good idea to overspend on 29 new players while being co-steered through these treacherous waters, if we are to believe the iconography, by the owner’s then 23-year-old son? Hmm. Tough one. Whatever else, £6m in wages on Jesse Lingard was definitely good content. It is worth walking through once again how this happened. Forest and Everton were charged with breaching the rules on the same day, 15 January, with Everton due to get the results of their (second) hearing some time in April. The rules state Premier League clubs are allowed a maximum loss across a three-year period. Forest have been deemed to be in breach. They can now appeal against the punishment with a backstop date for a decision five days after the end of the season. A further appeal (in “exceptional circumstances”) could take the whole process up to 8 June, with a final call on who actually gets relegated potentially delayed to that point. There are two chief objections to Forest’s punishment. Neither relate to whether the club actually broke the rules, but relate instead to not liking the rules. Most credible is the argument it is unfair that years in the English Football League should be subject to EFL spending caps, when they could instead be retrofitted with far more appealing Premier League level spending caps. Because two of the years in question were spent in the Championship, Forest are only given £61m to play with, not the full £105m. Had they been allowed the full Premier League whack, despite not having been in it, they would have stayed within the limits. please log in to view this image Nottingham Forest’s owner, Evangelos Marinakis, is popular with the fans. Photograph: Mike Egerton/PA It has some obvious merit as a tweak to the system, a way of helping promoted clubs compete. An argument against is that the rules are intended to discourage clubs from gambling on jam tomorrow. This might have the opposite effect. As for right now, and Forest’s current case, rules are not fungible things. The EFL rules for that period would have to be retrospectively abandoned. This is a flaky road to head down. Others stuck to the rules. You don’t get to suggest an alternative version just because you knew what was right and decided to do what was wrong. Why reward overspending with a get-out-of-jail-free card? And does everyone get one? The second points relates to the timing of Brennan Johnson’s sale, which the club say needed to be delayed to maximise the fee for the player, thereby taking it out of the relevant accounting period. Surely, Forest say, the point of the rules is to maximise our revenue. Privacy Policy. We use Google reCaptcha to protect our website and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. But this is to deliberately miss the point. Fixing sustained overspend with a fire sale of one player is the kind of rabbit-out-of-a-hat stuff the rules are there to discourage. The issue is buying 29 players in a single year, spending more than every year of your entire club history combined, more than Barcelona, Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain. Failing to make the emergency stop because you’re careering off the mountain side is really an issue about careering off the mountainside in the first place. Football follows the market. If Johnson were more valuable to more clubs he might have been sold in time for the right amount. He wasn’t. So pay up. It will still seem hard to digest the fact that Forest are being punished while Manchester City’s charges remain unanswered and Chelsea have somehow splurged a cool billion apparently without sanction. City are subject to 115 charges, all denied, many of which refer to complex issue of good faith and disclosure. This is football’s Jarndyce and Jarndyce. Chelsea took advantage of a loophole. The man may still be coming around. And none of this means the rules couldn’t do with a refresh. There needs to be more detail. What are the actual rules for clubs such as Everton being punished twice in the same season? Don’t know. Let’s see. The level of (semi-) permitted debt has been set at £105m since 2013. Factor in “football inflation” and this could be up at £200m by now. There is a sound argument for ramping it up. Meanwhile there are also some who would abolish regulation altogether, a line that tends to coincide with a tribal interest in a club with bottomless pockets, often backed with talk about some kind of ruling overclass plot to crush the little (extremely rich) guy. But most industries have regulation. Spending what you earn is hardly a revolutionary idea. As for freedom and the laissez-faire economy, overspending in aid of a propaganda project, or to sate your own oligarch-showman egomania is hardly an example of a properly functioning market. For now the moral of this story is obvious enough. Forest fans love Evangelos Marinakis because he is decisive and charismatic, because he acts and looks like the imperial commander of the intergalactic pirate fleet, and above all because he has brought success. But the fact remains this is still a case of taking your medicine. The year after their mega splurge, a period when signings were being reeled off every few days on the Marinakis Jr Instagram reel, Forest released 33 players and hired Nuno Espírito Santo, the seventh manager of the current era. Anyone looking for blame here, for obvious fault, for wrong turns along the way, should probably be looking at the bespoke padded throne in the directors’ box.
FA Statement - We welcome the commitment to strengthen independent financial regulation in football. We will continue working with the Government and other stakeholders as the Bill goes through the parliamentary process. That's a very short statement.
A longer one from the EFL... EFL Statement: Football Governance Bill Ahead of the forthcoming publication of the Football Governance Bill in Parliament, the EFL Chair has made the following statement. EFL Chair Rick Parry said: “The EFL welcomes today’s arrival of the Football Governance Bill to Parliament in what we hope will be an important milestone to help us secure the long-term financial sustainability of England’s football pyramid. “If delivered on the right terms, this landmark legislation can help fix the game’s broken financial model by offering the independent input ultimately needed to help ensure that all Clubs can survive and thrive in a fair and competitive environment. “The establishment of the Independent Football Regulator will be at the heart of this reform, and we are encouraged that the Regulator will be given backstop powers to deliver financial redistributions should the game be unable to agree a deal itself. “In recent years, we have been working with Government and across Parliament on a cross-party basis. It is clear there is an appreciation of just how important professional Clubs are to their communities and why they must be protected. "We are pleased that the Government has stated its commitment to the State of the Game Review which will provide the basis for the Independent Regulator’s work in making the game financially sustainable. “The League looks forward to contributing to that Review while simultaneously working with EFL Clubs,Parliamentarians, and officials to ensure that the Football Governance Bill is fit for purpose and can deliver the best regulatory regime to safeguard our game for generations. “Finally, on behalf of the EFL I would like to thank MPs, Peers, fans and all those who have helped get the Bill to Parliament and we will continue to work collaboratively in the months ahead.”
I really hope they take off and push Liverpool into second scouse spot. May take a while but they have done it before.
