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Match Day Thread Bristol City v Swansea City

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Robin, Mar 7, 2024.

  1. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Dickie is player of the season-put him up front <laugh>
     
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    QPR fans didn’t rate him from what I remember reading on this site when we signed him. He was always the better of the two out of him and Atkinson when they were at Oxford. He’s probably worth a few million now.
     
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    Aden Flint style. Maybe if we ever get Atkinson and Naismith back in the side, he can…
     
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  4. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Dickie popped up when there was a decent cross, has scored some decent goals but has also got mistakes in him..
    By right we should have scored 2 with a glaring missed header from Knight.
    It was ugly but I thought we kept Swansea at bay with very few chances. Was definitely an improved 2nd half.
    LM must be allowed to bring his own players to suit the style he wants to play.
     
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    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Dickie massively in credit-been a brilliant signing by Nige
     
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  6. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Imo his signings wasn’t the highlight of his reign. For me, giving the young ones from the academy the opportunity to break through and play first team football..
    Had we judged Nige on his first 3 months of being here in the way you are judging LM, he surely would have been sacked straight away.
     
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    Agreed, the difference being LM has come into a completely different scenario, it’s all about context. All LM has to do is improve an already well set up team. he just had to improve our attack. We were told he’s a better coach, our previous coach wasn’t good enough to get the best out of our present squad.

    For example at the end under Nige We had one of the best defensive records in the league. If we look at that defence , there’s Max, who was an academy product who couldn’t get into the team before, Tanner who cost next to nothing from L2. Vyner, again originally an academy product, who struggled to get into the first team before Nige, and who very nearly left, as his performances were patchy to say the least, Dickie who we picked up for around £700,000 and is arguably our player of the season, and Pring who spent god knows how many years being loaned to various clubs, but unable to get into the first team here. Not bad value for money really. Our previous back line included Kalas, Baker and Desilva, all of which were good players I grant you, and I know times were different, but in comparison how much did they cost to assemble, and how much must their combined wages had been in comparison.

    Nige wasn’t perfect, his main fault imo was failing to win enough home games, but to suggest what he inherited and what LM inherited as similar, and their individual expectations are similar just isn’t accurate. Nige was expected to steady the ship, whereas LM is expected to move us on. The reality is Nige managed to achieve his goals, as of yet LM isn’t even looking like achieving his first goal. Not only is he unlikely to finish higher than Nige would’ve, he certainly isn’t providing the front foot, attacking football he promised.
     
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  8. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Blimey Ashton LM has had 3 months to try and get more from the players that Nige failed to do. It’s only your opinion it was a well set up team.. sorry but the results or most of the performances did not reflect your comments.. our defence was not what you say.. how many games did we lose due to bad defensive decisions and very late goals.. something I’ve not noticed since LM’s been in charge. By right we should have been sh!t hot defensively with Nige’s knowledge and playing experience.
    Sorry, but you are bigging up Nige for his achievements with us, but they didn’t happen..
    Our sitting back on a slender lead was infuriating and lead to so many lost points..
    I believe LM, with the right players (using his signings) is a breath of fresh air.. I can see the style he’s trying to play but is missing some key players to pull it off.
    I completely disagree with your views..
    I believe he will be here next season, be allowed to bring some players in and will finish far higher than we have in the last four seasons
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Like you said before Ashton, Nige has gone, no one I know wanted him gone, but it’s done..
    Time to get behind our new coach
     
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  10. Red Robin

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    I have to disagree two different scenarios-Nige came in with a club on its ass-had to sort it from top to bottom-Liam come in with a team that was two points of a playoff spot and the **** sorted-Junior Lansdown said he wanted improvements with a side he believed was a top six side. Sadly the football is poor-the players do not look interested even the Swansea commentary said Bristol City players don't look interested.
     
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    Hang on RR, Nige allowed contracts to run their course, in the meantime he was putting teams out mainly made up of players that were already there. The football was very negative, defensively we were dreadful. Our concentration towards the end of games was dreadful. Our home form for the best part was dreadful. Often his tactics, formations and substitutions were suspect.. His name for previous clubs kept his position safe, any other manager would not have lasted so long.
    He wasn’t all what you say he was, you’re bigging up something that didn’t happen.
    However, I liked him for giving the youngsters a go and his effort to up our profile, but overall the progress promise by the board when DH and Nige was meant to push us on did not happen or work out.
    There was no commentary to say the players weren’t interested v Swansea, I listened to all of it mate..
    1st half we were dreadful, 2nd half we were much better, should have had two. We needed a win and that’s what we got..
    I believe LM will want to bring in players that suits his playing style.. he should be allowed to do that before judging him..
     
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    Nigel Pearson was not responsible for contracts. Contracts were the role of the CEO Phil Alexander and set versus the budget provided by Steve Lansdown.
     
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    Ahh ok, so the clear out wasn’t to do with Nige after all.
     
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    Nigel Pearson was involved. In the case of Tyreeq Bakinson Nigel Pearson may have driven the taxi to Ipswich. He was not responsible for contract negotiations, or deciding what the clubs budget was. The overall financial picture was set pre season by Steve Lansdown. Alexander and Pearson worked within the budget.
     
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    A few managers back it was the HEAD COACH who was accused of spunking the coffers and wasting money on overrated players on overpriced contracts….<confused>
    Sir Nige was credited with balancing the books again after said HEAD COACH had overspent.
     
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    Yes Lee Johnson time at BCFC saw record spending, record losses, record debts and record wages.

    Nigel Pearson's time at BCFC did not. The books were balanced while Nigel Pearson worked within a playing budget of bust rather than boom.
     
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    Only balanced when contracts ended and then the sale of Semenyo & Scott..
    Surely it was Ashton that commissioned the record spending causing the record debts.. can’t have it both ways..the buck stops with the CEO. LJ played the players that were available to him
     
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    Steve Lansdown authorised the spending.

    The wage bill was significantly decreased before the sales of Semenyo & Scott. The sale of Scott does not feature in Citys accounts.

    Here are some metaphors.

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    The wage bill and spending during Lee Johnsons tenure decided by Mr Lansdown.

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    The wage bill and spending during Nigel Pearson's tenure decided by Mr Lansdown.
     
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    As they have been for every CEO, not manager under SL. So, tell me what NP did then that has so many people saying he did so much for our finances? This is the piece I’ve never understood with all the love for Nige.
    I didn’t want him gone when he did, but also won’t say he was all that good. He steadied the ship after DH, definitely, but he didn’t progress the team in terms of league position at all.
     
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