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Match Day Thread Sparta v Liverpool

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  1. Milk..

    Milk.. Well-Known Member

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    Surely he has one of these:
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    https://newatlas.com/automotive/volkner-laferrari-rv-most-expensive-2022/

    Every year, one motorhome stands above the rest in terms of its truly outrageous, no-expense-spared build spec and price tag. It usually comes down to a battle between the two German Vs – Volkner and Variomobil. Volkner takes the prize again in 2022, and while this year's 39-foot (12-m) Performance S doesn't quite hit the US$7.7 million high the company reached last year, it's arguably a nicer overall package thanks to additions like a large rooftop deck, floor plan-wide surround sound system and coffee-and-cocktails bar. The LaFerrari that finds a cozy home between the front and rear axles isn't bad, either.

    Volkner exhibited this particular Performance S earlier this year at the 2022 Düsseldorf Caravan Salon, where it attracted hordes of visitors with its Halloween-like orange-and-black paint job and contrasting pure-white LaFerrari hanging out of its gut. Along with the Action Mobil Global XRS 7400, it was definitely the largest, most gawk-worthy spectacle of the show. But while the Action Mobil could be had for a mere €1.1 million, the Performance S required buyers to cough up nearly twice that – just over €2 million (approx. US$2.1 million). Add in the cost of that LaFerrari, and the price more than doubled to over €5.3 million (US$5.7 million).

    Based on that breakdown, the LaFerrari costs roughly the same €3 million as last year's Bugatti Chiron, so the $2 million price difference ultimately comes down to the motorhome spec and a current exchange rate that's much kinder to the US dollar. We'd say that makes this year's Performance S a comparative bargain because it definitely isn't lacking in amenities. In fact, it has some interesting options previous Performance S show models did not, starting with its 135-sq-ft (12.5-sq-m) rooftop deck, admittedly a little awkward to get to via a ladder in the bathroom shower. The deck is designed to seat six to eight for stargazing, spectating, people watching and general fresh air relaxation.

    The remainder of the roof is dedicated to practical equipment, including the 2,000-W solar panel array, satellite dish, 4G antenna and dual air conditioning system. Dedicated large and small air conditioners are installed for cooling the front living area and rear bedroom, respectively.

    The custom Performance S interior features a unique layout we haven't seen before. In particular, the high L-shaped kitchen counter with barstools on the outside feels more like something you'd see in a (stationary) home or on a yacht, creating the perfect space for owners to enjoy coffee and a light breakfast in the morning and wine or cocktails in the evening. On the other side of that bar top, the kitchen area comes stocked with a three-burner induction cooktop, oven, microwave, dishwasher, and refrigerator with separate 12-bottle wine cooler.

    Also unique is the use of a daybed instead of a basic sofa in the front living area. This bed makes use of the driver-side wall slide-out for proper spacing.

    The main 71 x 79-in (180 x 200-cm) bed is located in the rear bedroom. It would appear the buyer behind this particular build spends a lot of time sitting up while reading, working or web surfing because the bed has a tall cushioned headrest, which replaces the window that would otherwise be visible there.

    Instead of Volkner's usual Burmester audio system, the customer specced out their own custom sound system with speakers throughout, including 5.1 surround sound in the living area. LED smart TVs in the living room and bedroom supply the picture to go along with the audio. A 20-kWh lithium battery bank charged with the help of the aforementioned solar array powers those electronics and other interior electrical equipment.

    This Performance S is built atop a Volvo bus chassis with 503-hp rear engine and air suspension system. Its €5,311,000 final price, including taxes, made it the most expensive motorhome at the 2022 Caravan Salon and the most expensive RV we here at New Atlas covered all year — by a very comfortable margin.

     
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  2. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    I would have you know I am currently saving the planet with a hybrid BMW
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  4. saintanton

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    Do you wear a cape?
     
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  5. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    Only on a Tuesday in Cape Town
     
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    It's hideous inside
     
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    Gerrardsitchyear Well-Known Member

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    Which never gets plugged in.

    I had one as a company car, to save on BIK, but no means of charging it at home.
     
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  8. Milk..

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    What do you expect for something so cheap? :bandit:
     
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    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    I charge it off a normal socket and run around on electric at the weekend around town. Every journey gives 25 miles when charged plus a little bit as I drive around. Also £200 better of on the BIK than the Merc I had before so quids in
     
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  10. Milk..

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    Don't they typically get better MPG than pure ICE cars anyway? I know when I was looking at the Maverick hybrid it got about 15mpg more for the hybrid than it did the ICE version. (ended up with a Civic instead because I decided I wanted one last manual transmission car while they were still available in the US, and Honda Civic is one of the very few last vehicles that still offers manual here)
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    hybrids are the worse of all worlds as you are carrying both sets of weight.

    electric is a joke still and will always be a joke as cold weather kills them no matter what thr eco geeks say.

    we have a fleet of cheap cuts at work as the company dished out about 20 bays in the carpark for chargers FREE so all the senior dickheads have electric cars getting free charge all the time and are sat plugged in for 8 hours.

    the ordinary people have to fit in round these horrid types and we are treated to their constant drone on about the deals they got to buy one etc.

    everyone of them have to drive 45mins at least so crawl there and back and are always whinging about range despite getting it free.
     
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  12. Milk..

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    I think you're just a little biased about them personally. <laugh> It was only a few years ago you were adamant that electric cars were a fad and would never take off.

    Hybrids are heavier, but they typically get between 25% and 33% better fuel efficiency than pure ICE cars.
    As for cold weather, the highest per capita prevalence of electric cars is in Scandinavian countries.

    Whether they're "green" or not is another story. It takes 45,000 miles for a Hybrid car to offset the difference of carbon from building it... and it's closer to 70,000 miles for pure electric cars. Most eventually work out "greener" than an ICE vehicle, but it takes a while to get there- and when the batteries die and need replacing that counter needs restarting. They're better than ICE but not to the degree to which they're frequently advertised... and monstrosities like the F-150 lightening and the electric Hummer are never going to be greener than a small ICE car.
     
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    Thought that was a plane - never get good mpg out of that.
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    they still have not. they have not got enough chargers nor critical mass and the depreciation is absolutely massive.

    nobody ever said Scandinavians were smart people. only an idiot would drive an electric car in sub zero conditions for 6 months.

    the reality here is that hybrid really is the very worst of all worlds as you carry the weight of both power systems with none of the benefits of either.

    miserable performance at the petrol engine is ****
    miserable battery only range and miserable torque boost as well.

    most of all though the cars are getting mad etc be like Americans, fat and heavy. too big for roads and just extremely heavy. its the diametrically opposite of what is needed.

    my view is that electric powertrains will replace all ice engines as they are better and simpler. I don't agree that lugging round masses of batteries is a very good idea. they weight too much, are too expensive and harmful to the environment to make.

    the only real solution is the one that none of the real vested interests seem to want and that hydrogen fuel cells.

    electric vespas makes perfect sense with exchangeable batteries. every body going round towns and cities should be using them and dropping off the battery to an exchange where they are recharged and owned not by the person bit by whoever, the state if you want.

    larger vehicles just don't make sense with battery. I've seen electric lines over autobahn now for the electric trucks. again a bit stupid.
     
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    I take it just an America idiocity then?

    F150 are the big pick ups made by Ford. The lightening variant are the electric ones that cost $100k each and weigh.two.or.three tonnes and advertise enough battery to power your house if your electricity goes down. Mainly driven by rich city people who never put anything in the bed.

    Those type of machines are never going to be greener than a small car but they qualify for all sorts of green discounts.
     
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    Lockheed Lightning was a plane I remember from my youth.
    I've never heard of the car but that means nothing - I don't take much notice of cars apart from when I'm in the market for one.
    The trend for bigger and bigger ones winds me up though. I know there are some people who find them useful, but a lot just buy them as status symbols or because it's fashionable. It's baffling when we're supposed to be trying to cut down on our footprint.
    I hate driving behind them because I want to see ahead in order to drive safely and you can't see past them. Also, if one parks in a bay next to you you need a bloody can-opener to get back in your car.
    Parking bays are getting smaller while so many cars are getting bigger. Stupid.
     
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  17. Jeremy Hillary Boob

    Jeremy Hillary Boob GC Thread Terminator

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    We should all have battery-powered helicopter backpacks, as was predicted 100 years ago by Huxley in Brave New World. Or, God forbid, those who can walk or cycle for short, residential journeys do just that. We have a private junior school just down the road from us - at 15.30 you know you can't get down the lane for the 50-75 SUVs that rock up there to pick up their kids in all weathers. Think there are only about 100 kids in the whole school as well.
     
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    I live on a no-through road - you can access a couple of housing estates from it but it just ends where Snowdonia begins.
    It's like the M6 half the time - I see the same cars go backwards and forwards 4 or 5 times a day, though it's only a 5-10 minute walk from their houses to the shops and schools.
     
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    My last house, (until I moved into the middle of nowhere) could have been a 10 minute walk to several grocery stores. 30C temperatures aside, I would have walked occasionally, but there were no pavements to walk on... dangerous busy roads. No one expects pedestrians (this is the US, almost no one walks) and would have to walk through tall grass full of ticks and chiggers on the sides of the road.

    I walked to the store twice before deciding... never going to do that again. Now, where I am now, it would probably take me 5 hours to walk to the nearest grocery store <laugh>
     
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  20. Solid Air 2

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    depends on the Hybrid for example the original Toyota hybrids have a tiny battery which is purely there fpr improved acceleration from standing and better Mpg.The increased in mpg far exceeds any downside of extra weight .They never use the battery to be some power source.
    This may still be the same today but haven't checked
     
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