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Will “The Model” survive fan pressure?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by alcoauth, Feb 28, 2024.

  1. Arlyman

    Arlyman Well-Known Member

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    What if it turns out that the model is to develop lots of young talent, sell it, but then use the money to buy some experience as that will then be better to further develop the remaining young talent. That would make sense for further resale but also have the side effect of getting us promoted.

    No one as far as I am aware has said we are not doing this. We just didn't get to that point in the model yet.

    Note that soon I will be changing my user name from Arlyman to Mr. Optimist.
     
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  2. TeamOfTalents

    TeamOfTalents Well-Known Member

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    Apparently the 'model' doesn't exist as a term inside the club so not sure what we're discussing :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    The mob have spoken <laugh>
     
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  4. The Norton Cat

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    The term does seem to be fairly arbitrarily used to refer to either the fact we have a DoF and Head Coach (as opposed to a manager) or the current transfer policy. Neither are particularly unusual. They're just the way we're doing things. I think people get too hung up on 'the model'.
     
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  5. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    Its a very good point you make about reinvesting any fees received, however I would counter that by saying I can see why part of the fees will be put toward costs as we just don't make enough money in the championship to do everything
     
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  6. Flash Gordon

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    Fans struggle to see the long term mostly and in some cases they're so blinded by defeats that they seem unable to even register facts.

    I've seen mentions of KLD refusing to spend any money and "won't even spend the Lihadji money" but in reality, we probably didn't get a huge amount for Lihadji and we've spent more than that in January (which some people have completely failed to register).

    Another comment I saw at the weekend was suggesting that in the summer when Clarke leaves "Speakman will probably try and convince us that Mundle is his replacement"... I struggle to understand the negative, because surely Mundle is his replacement and it's an example of forward planning?
     
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  7. FellTop

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    Correct me if I am wrong but infrastructure investment does not count towards FFP. So we can spend other money on those things, nor football revenue earned.

    If that is right then I think it is reasonable to expect all revenues earned to be investes d back into the team. So far I believe KLD has invested in the infrastructure, so this isnt a dig. I am saying that is where owners should invest their own money, the bricks and mortar. It is about the only way to make any money in football. A bit like my house, if I put in an extension and do it well I make money. If KLD invests well onto the stadium and AOL it will be returned to him when he sells. Pumping his own money into player fees is not what I want to see him doing.

    He might have to put his hand in his pocket for Mowbray and Beale pay offs mind. I would hate to think they reduce playing budgets, but I suspect they will.
     
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  8. FellTop

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    I do agree our investment in tfr fees looks decent. On the face of it anyway. I do worry a bit we might be giving away big sell ons, but lets see.

    Mundle does seem to be the natural replacement for Clarke and I am pleased we have him. I am also watching Watson with a lot of interest too and think he may be hard to keep out of the side in a year or 18 months. What I would say about Speakman is that he has said some daft things about which players can do which jobs in the past. Saying Clarke could play up front springs to mind. I would rather he left player positions to his coaching team, as that is their responsibility. I think this is where some criticism of Speakman is warranted and he will rub coaches up the wrong way.
     
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  9. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    Only certain elements of infrastructure are excluded from ffp, if we built a new stand that would be exempt but replacing a roof probably wouldn't.

    That's what I am lead to believe, happy to be corrected though
     
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  10. Southern A

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    yes I do. I think those players cost more money and so we are more likely to sign them in the summer once we’ve banked some cash. Just makes sense.
     
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  11. Southern A

    Southern A Well-Known Member

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    yeh my post wasn’t meant to be pessimistic. More saying that now we have some proper money to spend, it will be interesting to see if the “type” of player signed reverts to the more experienced type (21-24) rather than the younger ones we’ve trended towards recently (18-21)
     
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  12. FellTop

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    My expectation is when they sit down and review this season there will be lessons learnt and adjustments made to our approach. Refinementa rather than about turns.

    I believe the club target was top 6 and promotion. I hope they dont sit down and say well that was down to 2 head coaches. It has come down to squad balance and quality I think. Some of our signings are yet to prove their worth or make an impact. That needs to be a refinement. A mix of young lads with a lot of improvement come with older players who are ready to push the team forward from day 1. If we have the tfr fees I think we will get then like you say we should be able to make the first refinements to our recruitment approach. Hope so anyway.
     
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  13. Comfy

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    Personally think kld, speakman and his team have done a very good job in the transfer windows so far, the summer one is gonna be exciting for me as we will have a lot more money to do business with. It’ll be hard to watch Clarke, Ballard, Patterson and maybe even Neil go but you’ve got to strike when the irons hot and if it means saying bye to them then get the best money we can and hope that speakman can do an even better job finding players with the money. For what it’s worth I think he will
     
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  14. Monkey69

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    I think that it is worth noting that "the model" is not to develop and sell players at a profit it is to develop and build a team capable of competing at the highest level, but that will take time and patience. If they wanted profit over building a team then Clarke would already have been sold. The club are looking to build and will use transfers of players to help achieve their goals and in that sentence lies the key to our ambitions. How good will they be at re-investing the money and the acquisitions they make.
     
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  15. Dave_39

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    hopefull we get a couple of experienced players in to help the kids just tweek model a little bit
     
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  16. alcoauth

    alcoauth Well-Known Member

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    Goat post btw, a lot of our supporters should be forced to read this 10x and then write it out on a chalk board.
     
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  17. LD19SAFC

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    Fingers crossed. Feel that’s vital especially with Evans now gone.
     
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