I don’t belief it’s religious beliefs if I’m honest I think he’s probably homophobic. It’s what gets said when people want to be an anti gay. If I’m wrong and it was his beliefs then don’t discriminate on public because you’re breaching the equality act ie the law.To reverse this, don’t expect religious rights if you can’t comply with other rights.
Are you saying he doesn't have the right to refuse any request irrespective of the message on the basis that it's his job?
Good points TC. I have a friend who I've known since the late 80's. She was born in Camden in 1970. Her family moved over to the UK from Bangladesh. Her mother is a retired NHS Consultant and her father wss a Barrister. She is a well known top Jornalist/ News correspondent who works all over the world. She is an amazing woman. She loves the UK with a passion. She hates the way those who seek a life in the UK suddenly turn against the white culture, after beeing accepted here, and were well aware of our laws/culture, before their families settled over here. I have learned a lot from her. I don't get involved, however, her passion for disrepect against British white folk, is quite amazing. She defends our white culture with a propensity, as though she is white herself. She said that she took the lead from her parents by saying, My mother and my father loved this country from afar, which is why they moved us here in the late 60's. Me, I find it so difficult to take notice of our News on TV, or through Media. She tells it like it is, as a black woman, witnessing those people, she says, who were born in the UK in the mid 80's who are now running amock, wanting change to suit themselves, rather than understanding that a vast majority of this country, white or black, are decent people who just want to not see protest after protest, just because they assume that decent white folk just want to discriminate any Ethnic Minorities at a drop of a hat. She has always maintained that there is bad people all over the world who will fight/protest against other cultures, or skin colours, yet, moving to another country and respecting their laws is paramount to be accepted as part of a society, instead of demanding a fuelled filling protest and barking at the moon, just because we don't accept certain things. She also reports that Foreign Nationals, are 'Press-Ganged' into joining protest etc. She said that throughout her years studying Journalism, she worked on the streets of over 80 countries, with a filming team, interviewing the poor and the wealthy, compiling surveys about everything from, lifestyle barriers, politics, consumer products and current affaires etc. She said that in this country, because of her skin colour, black folk tended to participate in surveys.....and she says the results are staggering. She claims - We found that 91% of black people who protested against UK society with the 'Discrimination Banner' were British born black folk, born between 1985-2005. Those who moved over here in the 50',60's and 70's who are now a lot older, are happy with life. Sorry guys, I'm in hospital at the moment, nothing bad, but it's meds time. laters.... .
I pick and choose whether I want to do a particular job or not. That is called freedom of choice. Surely if a man (or woman) is forced to do a "job" that they do not want to do under duress of a "punishment" then that is slavery.
Well no, because I guess any business reserves the right to refuse custom BUT you could argue that refusal was in contravention of the The Public Order Act 1986 IF the refusal was based solely on the sexuality of the customer.
I’m genuinely baffled by why anyone would believe in a god or gods. It makes no sense. Is it a genetic thing like skin colour, gender and sexuality? It seems that lots of people really do believe and unfortunately some need to try and convert others. Christians burnt native Americans alive if they chose not to convert. Muslim men treat women like subhumans. Catholic men treat women and children like subhumans. The major religions are big businesses with all the corruption that entails. And it’s all based on books written in the iron age by people with an agenda. When it comes to basics, we’re all just animals with the same motivations as other animals. Procreation, security and sustenance. That’s enough for me. And from me.
How can that possibly be the case, how would they know what his sexuality was? If he'd come in with a badge saying 'I'm Gay', ordered a cake saying 'Happy Birthday Mum' and they'd refused, you might have a case. The message, 'Support Gay Marriage', was specifically the problem and was promoting something against the law. Anyway the prosecution spent £250k and the courts ruled against the customer, case closed.
Well fair enough I guess. I'd still challenge the (il)legality of gay marriage because I find it abhorrent that any law dictates who can marry whom. Been an interesting thread though
Jurgen walks into Kosher Cakes. J: Hello Mordechai, please make me a Swastika cake! M: No, this is against my beliefs! J: I’m going to sue you and get tax payer funding to the tune if 250k! Jurgen leaves. Jurgen enters Cohen brothers Ltd law services.
(In an earlier post I mentioned Soloman who is said, apparantly with approval, in THE BIBLE to have had over 700 wives and 300 concubines, ) -------------- I have been following this thread with interest. One of the problems, it seems to me, is the assumption that GB is a Christian Country. A look around any large Town/City will show former churches, now serving other religions. I believe that most Chrch Membership figures are down. Less than half CLAIMED to be Christian on the last census returns. The figure of 'practicing Christians' will, pressumably be well below that figure. So it seems to me that most of us just don't believe in RELIGION. The Christians don't seem to resent this too much, nor do The Jewish Congregations. But many of the followers of Islam seem to take this as an insult to both their faith and themseves. I suspect that their real concern, particularly of the Muslim Comunity, is that their Children or Grandchildren will become contaminated with this relgious apathy in due course. and follow this trend. Whether this leads to problems, only time will tell.
It's always funny to see people ridiculing someone's religion ... ... then being scared to predict a Sunderland win because it will jinx the game People have faith in all kinds of things but when normal life is disrupted, or breaks down, often turn to the church ... in various forms. It's no surprise there's a significantly high element of religion at times of personal and national disaster, death and Remembrance, etc. When things are going well it's easier to shrug religion off, human nature and nothing wrong with that. Religion is usually quite harmless until it's used as an excuse, much like hooligans hijacking football as an excuse to batter each other.
A big problem is that it isn't used as an excuse rather it's used as a reason. I know it's semantics but people don't idly blame religion to cover their bad behaviour retrospectively. They plan said behaviour based on their beliefs and use it as motivation. This is a horrible thread for me because I will bounce from side to side contradicting myself saying religion is the most natural thing in the world only to slate it a moment later as reprehensible and corrupt. I don’t think I will ever make my mind up on it, but that's a good thing because I've pretty much made my mind up on humans.
Most people have done that over the last few thousand years mate. Only radicals, at either end of the spectrum, have never faltered .... religious clerics and dictators for example. Sometimes it's totally contradictory as in our national pride for St George and the way we wave the flag, etc. This is someone who wasn't English and never came here
I can say fairly certainly I do not believe in a God sitting up there in the heavens with JC on his right hand carving Adam and Eve from his ribs etc. But do not think that is me diminishing religion or Christianity. I think religion got it mixed up a little and God is nature and God is history and man and learning and all sorts. I don't know what the **** I think. I'm off.
It can all be so confusing. WHEN I think on such things, which isn't often, I look at them more from a philosphical (?) point of view rather than Faith. What, I ask myself, can I honestly take from any particular Religion? Standards of behavior, perhaps. Respect for others. Toleration for what I see as others faults, and acceptance that They may well be right, The 'Surmon on the Mount', for social standards. The Jewish commandments, The respect for Nature from Budists. New thoughts crop up from time to time and get tossed into this melting pot. If asked to put it into a few simple words it would be, 'do no harm'. But I make no claims at all for being succesful .
I’ve come to the conclusion that the interpretative nature of the Bible is by design. It is meant to be interpreted differently at different times in order to give society what it needs, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword”, there are times when society/civilisation needs to be warlike in order to protect itself, there are times, presumably in the immediacy after war, where cooler heads must prevail and you get something like “This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger”. The idea that Jesus was some hippy though, is a post war fabrication, he is everything at once, or perhaps even better, what you need at this moment.
