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Ashworth to Manchester

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Toonitus, Feb 14, 2024.

  1. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    And you know all of this (for certain) based on what evidence exactly?
     
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  2. Leo Billy

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    It’s honestly just my view on it mate.

    I’ll be honest I’m probably blindsided by his transfers at Bournemouth when so many were ****e.
     
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  3. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    I know for a fact clubs watch players for more than the time he was at the club ie years and that Howe was unemployed for years.

    Newcastle scouts will have provided a list and Howe will probably have added a few of his desired targets to it aswel.

    Interestingly enough people are using the very same argument to deny Ashworths involvement in some of those names.

    Finally Howe admitted he wanted Phillips!
     
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  4. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    That's still not proof, that's faith.

    By tye way, faith can be based on 'evidence', just not 'absolute proof'. So if you are using evidence, but not absolute proof, then you are applying faith.

    And your final caveat of Howe probably adding input works both ways. Maybe HE added Botman to a list that already contained Burn & Targett. Maybe. But we don't know for sure.
     
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  5. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    Really mate they watch players for years that's a fact.

    I accept who Howe added to the list is an assessment, but unfortunately the people saying howe bought Guimareas isak and botman are doing the same just without considering how long clubs look and players and how long Howe was involved here.

    Howe wanted Phillips ! That says it's all for me.
     
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  6. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    So you admit you don't actually know for absolute certain and so are just applying faith in your anti-Howe narrative?

    You've yielded, right?
     
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  7. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    Howe will be replaced somewhere down the line and it'll be interesting to what people are saying then about his work.

    No and I've explained the reasons!
     
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  8. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    No you haven't mate.

    Are you providing absolute proof? If so what is it?

    Or are you applying faith (even if partly evidence based)?
     
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  9. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    You don't need to play the game to be a good manager...

    Sir Alex Ferguson won the Scottish second division twice in his career
    Klopp never made it out of Bundesliga 2
    Wenger managed 80 appearances in 11 years in amateur French football
    Postecoglu played 9 years in Australia
    Mourinho never went professional
    Sarri was a banker before managing
    Avram Grant never played and started coaching at 18
    Andres Villas Boas was picked up in his apartment block by Sir Bobby at 16 to join Porto in Observation management
    Brendan Rogers never played due to a knee condition

    Now he may never be as good as some on that list but he's probably better than some of them.
     
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  10. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    I have .. I'm using something called evidence.. faith is not based on evidence.

    Evidence and proof are not the same.
     
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  11. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    Try again.
     
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  12. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    Faith isn't based on evidence thats your mistake not mine.

    Faith is the excuse people use for believing something without evidence.

    Clubs do scout players for years ... that is a fact.
     
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  13. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    So what exactly is your evidence or proof that Howe has too much control over transfers?
     
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  14. Roland Deschain

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    All I'm hearing is that it's not too late for me.

    Given my propensity for tactics alongside the fact I have 20/20 hindsight, I'd make a spectacular manager. Plus I've shown I can handle the biggest and most obnoxious egos, as the amount of time spent on this board proves.
     
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  15. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    <laugh><laugh>
    <cheers>
     
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  16. Toonitus

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    I actually said he shouldn't be so it's not required .. interestingly enough someone else said categorically that Howe signed Isak Bruno and Botman...that was OK for you though.

    The fact is clubs do look at players years amd I've used the word 'probably' when making my comment
     
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  17. Judge Death

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    Yep, I'll give you that ...
     
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  18. Judge Death

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    Takeover- 07.10.21

    Bruno signed - 30.01.22
    Botman signed - 01.07.22
    Isak signed - 26.07.22

    So, on the basis of your comment - Ashley, Bruce, Penfold et al had been watching and scouting these players long before PIF were in place ....

    We couldn't get ****ing Hamza Choudhury over the line on a loan deal with those idiots in place, so the likelihood of them looking at those three is frankly, laughable.
     
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  19. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    That is a fact... he asked for proof about who howe added to the list, but the thing is I used the words 'probably' and 'may'
     
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  20. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    You also said...
    So once again, what is your proof/evidence? It really isn't that difficult.

    Who has Howe brought in?
     
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