Pardew for England?

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AdamBanana20 said:
You don't play nice football.
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I've accidentally seen Newcastle on MOTD as I've switched channels, and I've stuck with them because I was interested to see how Pardew was doing. They play a perfectly acceptable style of football, IMO. A bit of long ball, a bit of short. It isn't like Saints, with the ball pinging around the place, but it's entertaining and effective. Credit where it's due.
 
AdamBanana20 said:
You don't play nice football.
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Well we're not Barcelona, but we do pass the ball about and work hard to regain possession, and i doubt we would be doing well if we weren't playing nice football. We have flair in Yohan Cabaye ( one of the buys of the season ) and we're able to leave players like Ben Arfa, Santon and Marveaux on the bench, players who are full of quality and flair.

Good luck with the rest of your season though! <ok>
 
If good 'ol Arry is going to be standing trial then it will likely put an end to him becoming England manager. It's bad enough that we have possible thugs and racists in the squad at player level let alone a crim in the hot seat.

Plus you know that if Redknapp was appointed he would employ Beckham and give him a job which given that he's played in 4 World Cups and achieved exactly **** all except be a **** captain and cry like a girl, would see a continuation of our international malais.

If SG Ericsson and Capello at first had played youth instead of insisting Beckham played every game we might not be in the mess we are now.

Personally I'd have no issue with Pardew as manager
 
Pardew is a shrewd manager but has a dark side so would not be appointed by the FA. Having said that Redknapp is shady too. Does not leave many experienced alternatives, as Pearce is not tactically good enough and Southgate is untested. This leaves Hodgson who is organised and methodical. Hiddink anyone, his English is good enough...
 
Angelicnumber16 said:
Plus you know that if Redknapp was appointed he would employ Beckham and give him a job which given that he's played in 4 World Cups and achieved exactly **** all except be a **** captain and cry like a girl, would see a continuation of our international malais.
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Bit harsh that. Beckham has been the only sign of life within the England setup for the past decade. Not because Manager's wanted to bring in dead wood. Quite the opposite, he was auto on the team sheet because he was head and shoulders above anyone else in terms of passion, pride, workrate and his actual form.

Indeed Capello tried not to use him but had to resort to him because he was still head and shoulders above anyone else and just to show it he would come on and actually liven up the whole side even though he was the oldest in there!!!

So whilst I don't want Redknapp, I think it would be a terrible appointment and firmly believe Hodgson is the man I think it is a bit of a cheap shot putting Beckham down. Put his personality and brains down if you like, but not his achievements. He was there on merit even when it was the later subs appearances as could be seen on the pitch.
 
Nothing wrong with beckham(yes he is past it now), beckham was the most passionate player I have seen put on the England shirt. He single handedly made us win and qualify against greece.
Yes he made the mistake in the Argie game but come on he has been class for England.
I can't see how people can slag him off tbh. As the above post said he had so much pride and passion for England which alot of the so called golden generation didn't have.
 
Nothing wrong with beckham
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Oh please !

He holds the record number of caps for an outfield player for England, and I therefore ask what did he achieve for the team during those ten or so years when he was picking up those frankly 'token' caps for the last 30 odd games with the embarrassing cameo appearances towards the very end when it seeemed the only reason he was there was to please the FA and sell more tickets at their bidding ?

He should have been stood down years ago from England. As George Best said of Beckham, 'he can't tackle, can't head, doesn't track back' etc.... George Best was right.

So on to his glory, what's he ever done ? Well he got himself sent off twice (a record for any England player) never scored a Wembley (a record for the amount of caps pro rata ?) missed several key penalties in competitions (stupid and inexcusable more than once), talked Ericsson in letting him play as a quarter back in Belfast on another inglorious night for England when we lost 1-0, he never once showed ANY signs of being a capable captain or talking to/encouraging others on the pitch like a real captain would, and had he not been the famous David Beckham, and that's famous just for being famous sake rather than being a world class footballer (which his lack of recognition in individual footballing awards terms proves), would he ever have got more than 50 caps for his country ? I dont think so.

I don't want to hear how passionate he is/was. Every player pulling on the England shirt should feel that way and if they don't then they shouldn't be there.

Then there is the needless booking he picked up against Wales which he admitted that he wanted to get so that he didn't have to travel to the next away game (in Azerbijan or Albania or somewhere horrible) because his wife had a modelling shoot or some other non football related nonsense. Does this sound like the model professional and hero that you all seem to think he is ? No, it's shabby and unprofessional behaviour.

So quite why people make this big fuss about him I've no idea, at club level he peaked in the English league over 10 years ago. Since then he's just a celebrity who is now playing in a conference standard league because he wants an easy life and big bucks, oh and his missus likes being seen near designer shops whether that's in LA, Madrid, Milan and now probably Paris. I don't actually have a problem with any of that apart from the fact that people think he's a legend and a world beater....he's really not.

The Milan fans had him sussed and so did the LA Galaxy fans who rightly called him a Judas when he waltzed off to Italy mid season. Even the LA people are now saying that they regret the hype surrounding his arrival so what does that tell you ?

He is however a self centred, petulant, arrogant, and immature child, who has offered England nothing for years and years and years, but he 'had' to play every game, take every set piece (with very few goals from them by the way) and no-one had the sense to see it was actually harming us internationally.

Before people start on about the goal against Greece, a couple of things - Firstly it was in his home stadium at the time not in Milan, Madrid, Rio, or Amsterdam, and secondly had England not gotten a draw that day we were not out of the competition. We would have gone into a play off with the Ukraine.

The fact remains that when called upon against the better nations in World Cup and Euro Championship finals he's NEVER once produced anything to write home about. You could argue for the scuffed penalty against Argentina, but the rest of that game he was also invisible.

David Beckham may be a legend in Manchester for when he played at United, but the rest of his legendary status is very in his own tiny mind or in the minds of journo's who had free trips around the world out of it.

Anyone noticed that without him we are now up to 5th in the world rankings with decent kids coming through ? It must just be a coincidence I guess.
 
Angelicnumber16 said:
Oh please !

He holds the record number of caps for an outfield player for England, and I therefore ask what did he achieve for the team during those ten or so years when he was picking up those frankly 'token' caps for the last 30 odd games with the embarrassing cameo appearances towards the very end when it seeemed the only reason he was there was to please the FA and sell more tickets at their bidding ?

He should have been stood down years ago from England. As George Best said of Beckham, 'he can't tackle, can't head, doesn't track back' etc.... George Best was right.

So on to his glory, what's he ever done ? Well he got himself sent off twice (a record for any England player) never scored a Wembley (a record for the amount of caps pro rata ?) missed several key penalties in competitions (stupid and inexcusable more than once), talked Ericsson in letting him play as a quarter back in Belfast on another inglorious night for England when we lost 1-0, he never once showed ANY signs of being a capable captain or talking to/encouraging others on the pitch like a real captain would, and had he not been the famous David Beckham, and that's famous just for being famous sake rather than being a world class footballer (which his lack of recognition in individual footballing awards terms proves), would he ever have got more than 50 caps for his country ? I dont think so.

I don't want to hear how passionate he is/was. Every player pulling on the England shirt should feel that way and if they don't then they shouldn't be there.

Then there is the needless booking he picked up against Wales which he admitted that he wanted to get so that he didn't have to travel to the next away game (in Azerbijan or Albania or somewhere horrible) because his wife had a modelling shoot or some other non football related nonsense. Does this sound like the model professional and hero that you all seem to think he is ? No, it's shabby and unprofessional behaviour.

So quite why people make this big fuss about him I've no idea, at club level he peaked in the English league over 10 years ago. Since then he's just a celebrity who is now playing in a conference standard league because he wants an easy life and big bucks, oh and his missus likes being seen near designer shops whether that's in LA, Madrid, Milan and now probably Paris. I don't actually have a problem with any of that apart from the fact that people think he's a legend and a world beater....he's really not.

The Milan fans had him sussed and so did the LA Galaxy fans who rightly called him a Judas when he waltzed off to Italy mid season. Even the LA people are now saying that they regret the hype surrounding his arrival so what does that tell you ?

He is however a self centred, petulant, arrogant, and immature child, who has offered England nothing for years and years and years, but he 'had' to play every game, take every set piece (with very few goals from them by the way) and no-one had the sense to see it was actually harming us internationally.

Before people start on about the goal against Greece, a couple of things - Firstly it was in his home stadium at the time not in Milan, Madrid, Rio, or Amsterdam, and secondly had England not gotten a draw that day we were not out of the competition. We would have gone into a play off with the Ukraine.

The fact remains that when called upon against the better nations in World Cup and Euro Championship finals he's NEVER once produced anything to write home about. You could argue for the scuffed penalty against Argentina, but the rest of that game he was also invisible.

David Beckham may be a legend in Manchester for when he played at United, but the rest of his legendary status is very in his own tiny mind or in the minds of journo's who had free trips around the world out of it.

Anyone noticed that without him we are now up to 5th in the world rankings with decent kids coming through ? It must just be a coincidence I guess.
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Jeez, that's what I call a rant! You've got some serious beef with Beckham!

What did he do? Did he sleep with your wife or something like that?
 
Angelicnumber16 said:
Oh please !

He holds the record number of caps for an outfield player for England, and I therefore ask what did he achieve for the team during those ten or so years when he was picking up those frankly 'token' caps for the last 30 odd games with the embarrassing cameo appearances towards the very end when it seeemed the only reason he was there was to please the FA and sell more tickets at their bidding ?

He should have been stood down years ago from England. As George Best said of Beckham, 'he can't tackle, can't head, doesn't track back' etc.... George Best was right.

So on to his glory, what's he ever done ? Well he got himself sent off twice (a record for any England player) never scored a Wembley (a record for the amount of caps pro rata ?) missed several key penalties in competitions (stupid and inexcusable more than once), talked Ericsson in letting him play as a quarter back in Belfast on another inglorious night for England when we lost 1-0, he never once showed ANY signs of being a capable captain or talking to/encouraging others on the pitch like a real captain would, and had he not been the famous David Beckham, and that's famous just for being famous sake rather than being a world class footballer (which his lack of recognition in individual footballing awards terms proves), would he ever have got more than 50 caps for his country ? I dont think so.

I don't want to hear how passionate he is/was. Every player pulling on the England shirt should feel that way and if they don't then they shouldn't be there.

Then there is the needless booking he picked up against Wales which he admitted that he wanted to get so that he didn't have to travel to the next away game (in Azerbijan or Albania or somewhere horrible) because his wife had a modelling shoot or some other non football related nonsense. Does this sound like the model professional and hero that you all seem to think he is ? No, it's shabby and unprofessional behaviour.

So quite why people make this big fuss about him I've no idea, at club level he peaked in the English league over 10 years ago. Since then he's just a celebrity who is now playing in a conference standard league because he wants an easy life and big bucks, oh and his missus likes being seen near designer shops whether that's in LA, Madrid, Milan and now probably Paris. I don't actually have a problem with any of that apart from the fact that people think he's a legend and a world beater....he's really not.

The Milan fans had him sussed and so did the LA Galaxy fans who rightly called him a Judas when he waltzed off to Italy mid season. Even the LA people are now saying that they regret the hype surrounding his arrival so what does that tell you ?

He is however a self centred, petulant, arrogant, and immature child, who has offered England nothing for years and years and years, but he 'had' to play every game, take every set piece (with very few goals from them by the way) and no-one had the sense to see it was actually harming us internationally.

Before people start on about the goal against Greece, a couple of things - Firstly it was in his home stadium at the time not in Milan, Madrid, Rio, or Amsterdam, and secondly had England not gotten a draw that day we were not out of the competition. We would have gone into a play off with the Ukraine.

The fact remains that when called upon against the better nations in World Cup and Euro Championship finals he's NEVER once produced anything to write home about. You could argue for the scuffed penalty against Argentina, but the rest of that game he was also invisible.

David Beckham may be a legend in Manchester for when he played at United, but the rest of his legendary status is very in his own tiny mind or in the minds of journo's who had free trips around the world out of it.

Anyone noticed that without him we are now up to 5th in the world rankings with decent kids coming through ? It must just be a coincidence I guess.
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So do you like him or not?
 
OddRiverOakWizards said:
Pardew is a shrewd manager but has a dark side so would not be appointed by the FA. Having said that Redknapp is shady too. Does not leave many experienced alternatives, as Pearce is not tactically good enough and Southgate is untested. This leaves Hodgson who is organised and methodical. Hiddink anyone, his English is good enough...
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Don't really fancy playing 6 at the back. Hodgson would be good though.
 
Angelicnumber16 said:
Oh please !
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I think you need to go and watch football rather than read the papers to see what they think matey.

You contradict yourself in many ways. You say yes he had passion but then so shoiuld every other player to put the shirt on............well they didn't so that straight away means he deserves the shirt.

- He can't tackle, neither could Scholes but both were first names on the team sheet on merit.

- He most definitely did track back. For 10 years he was the hardest working player in the England Team.

- His career outside of Man U didn't achieve anything? Were you in a coma throughout the last decade? When he went to Madrid Capello was the manager and he had a similar view to you. Didn't play him. However by the end of that season Beckham had forced his way into the side scoring the third goal in the Champions League final!!! and looked class in every game he played for Madrid.

- Individual achievements - None? This is in a decade where we had Henry, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo 1&2. I sem to remember that he was placed 2nd a couple of times and in the top5 lots of times in the World and European footballer of the year awards. That is no mean achievement when you consider who the players were that were ahead of him in those awards!!! Was part of a side which was in the CL quarters or better through the whole decade. Won the Champions league with 2 teams. Nah, he achieved nothing.

- It is pretty silly for any football fan to try and say that he is rubbish because he didn't win for England. Whilst many Saints fans (Not I) believe that 1 player can win a team game (Yes Le Tiss is also my hero) It sadly ain't true. 1 player can add significantly to the chance of the team winning however if the rest aren't doing the business then that 1 player can only raise the team so far.

- Was a great captain, he led by example. His constant work rate is not typical of 'star' players most of which would've sulked through that decade not putting in any passion.

- As for some of the others. He didn't persuade Erikson. It was Erikson's tactic for the long diagonal ball to Owen for years not just that game. Did you not watch all those Erikson games? Watch them again and see how many times it is Beckham hitting from his own half to the smallest player on the field. It is a poor tactic not a player's bad decisions. Something we all complained about. You can't blame Beckham for following tactics given to him by his inept manager.

- From what I remember the yellow card against Wales was so that he would be suspended for an unimportant game rather than risk a yellow in that unimportant game only to be then suspended for the important game. No doubt you think this is all Beckham's thinking? or was that also his managers ides? Whoever's it was it was a good decision. The fact that he and his wife went to some trip is by the by. That card wasn't played for so he could jolly off anywhere. That is you reading too much OK magazine!!!

No one is saying that he is a legend just because of that goal in the 93rd minute against Grece but England scored 2 goals that day. The first was a Sheringham header from a Beckham cross if I remember rightly. This was an important result. that goal meant we didn't have to play a 2 legged match against Ukraine which having seen us struggle at home to Greece would maybe have been a 2 legger we could lose quite easily.

As for warbling on about goals. He is a midfielder for starters and I would bet he either had the most assists or in the top 2 or 3 most assist in International football through the 00-10 decade!!!

If you truly believe the FIFA rankings are a good indicator of how good a team is then you must be mad. Do you really think England are 5th best in the world? Were they 4th best 2 months ago? Were they even 8th best last month? The simple answer is IMO they are not in the top 10 best teams at the moment. The fact we easily qualified from a group that wasn't exactly hard is nothing. Any side that is really in the Top 10 of the world would have won that group without dropping a point let alone dropping several.

So like I said in my post.criticise him off field image, personality, decisions etc. There is no way anyone who knows anything about football other than paper talk could ever believe he was not worthy of his place in the England midfield.

So get out and watch football matey. The papers may have the odd scrap of decent reporting in them but most of the other garbage you've believed is way off the mark. Something anyone who really knows about football can see.
 
<applause><applause><ok> Imps

Beckham was the best English player from when he was 19 to the time he went to LA Galaxy. As a player he was and remains an example to any young footballer.
 
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