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Match Day Thread Birmingham City v Sunderland AFC – Saturday 17th February 2024 - KO 15:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Feb 15, 2024.

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Poll closed Feb 17, 2024.
  1. Home win

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  1. clockstander

    clockstander Well-Known Member

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    It certainly looks that way, in my opinion we should sack him before he does any more damage, but Speakman wont do this for obvious reasons. The real worry is that Beale is endangering our overall development plan, he might be good on the training ground, but he is a nightmare on the touch line, and game management is not his forte. Its not too late so I hope he changes quickly for all our sakes but his history says not.
     
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  2. Coastal Dolphins

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    Agreed - its staring us right in the face it's so obvious. Annoyingly any basic due diligence would've flagged this up pre appointment.
     
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  3. WorkyTicketFTM

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    Out all day and night yesterday so only just got round to watching the highlights. Not excusing Beale giving Hume the cold shoulder at all but what the **** is he doing for the second goal? Just continues strolling back after the ball has been played past him and into our box, assume that had something to do with it?
     
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  4. Sour Patch

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    No idea on the why but we started with a diamond so no real natural width, then changed to more of a 433 but Ba played very narrow and Hume was inverting leaving Thomas and Spencer free on that flank.

    Obviously I do not have training data. But if we are basing our lineups on how players perform in training over actual matches then we are in big trouble.
     
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  5. FellTop

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    Good post mate. I like it when folk offer an alternative to Beale, rather than just Beale out.

    Cooper would be a good fit with us. He likes to play football at tempo. Would certainly be a step up. My fear, is he wouldnt look twice at us. He will be in the frame at clubs like Palace in the summer, along with clubs with parachute payments. Cooper will also want Tait with him and probably Alcock and if the rumours about not allowing any new backroom staff because we want Dodds and Proctor to stay, I would say Cooper wouldnt even pick up the phone.
     
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  6. Sour Patch

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    Glasner getting the Palace job, announced tomorrow.
     
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  7. FellTop

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    Really? Isnt Hodgson still in hospital? Hope Hodgson is ok, I have loads of time for him.
     
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  8. The Norton Cat

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    No, I know you don't have that data. But you know as well as I do that things that happen in training will have an influence on team selection. Alongside various other things.
     
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  9. The Norton Cat

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    Deserves a lot more respect than he is often given. Amazing career and comes across as a decent bloke.
     
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  10. Sour Patch

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    Yeah it's a sticky situation, I think Palace would've announced the sacking and hiring by now if he didn't collapse.
     
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  11. Pure River Slut

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    He isn’t really persisting with any striker being honest. Maybe there is an argument that Hemir needs more minutes, but Burstow hasn’t been playing more than two games, same with Rusyn. It seems like whoever has the best substitute cameo plays the next game but neither are fit to start as the 9.
     
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  12. Pure River Slut

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    He actually took responsibility for the performances yesterday. Of course he has to deliver better but if you watch it back this comment isn’t even true.
     
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  13. Sour Patch

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    He is persisting with him though because he's putting him on the pitch undeservingly. Even if Hemir is worse i'd rather him on the pitch because he's our player. He's not worse though, he offers a lot more
     
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  14. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    The reality when coaching though is that if you ignore performance in training people train badly but aye it has to be combined with match day.
     
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  15. Pure River Slut

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    It’s glaringly obvious what I’m going to say but emotional fans don’t seem to grasp it. Sacking a manager only works if you have a better replacement. It can make things worse in the short term and in the medium or long term ie having a caretaker quite often means you lose the same or more, you often can’t get someone to leave mid season so get less choice or get worse and being trigger happy makes people feel less inclined to join. Also the realities are we have an unusual position- more coach than manager, less control over recruitment, possibly need to retain less coaches. We need a good think and possibly a big change at many levels. Is this point in the season the right time for big change at many levels ? I’d say no. When it can work is if you have pretty much nailed on better lined up and ready to go. That means they want to come, they are available at a reasonable cost, they accept the circumstances - high pressure with squad gaps. I’d say it’s hard to deliver at this point as why would they not wait for options. It’s easy to rant and say ‘anyone but (insert name of coach)’ but the reality is very very different.
     
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  16. Sour Patch

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    But could you not say the same about in game performances? Some of the players play no matter how they perform, surely that means players perform badly
     
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  17. The Norton Cat

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    There's also a tactical element to it. You might try something in training and if it does or doesn't work, it affects your team selection.
     
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    Hand on heart I don’t think we will sack him though, it would take a huge reaction from the support to force their hand and even then I reckon they would just go with Dodds till the end of the season. As long as Beale is here I will still support the team but he’s testing my patience now because these players are so much better than what he’s getting out of them
     
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  19. FellTop

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    I hope he retires mate. He must be late 70s and football management is high pressure, whatever the level, let alone fighting relegation in that division.
     
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  20. Pure River Slut

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    As I said, it’s both. I’m just saying you can’t ignore training. Our midfield is not working at this point. Styles has not been available so that may help, Rigg is encouraging but 16, move 09 forward, wait for Evans. Can’t see many other options. Up front even less options.
     
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