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Match Day Thread Birmingham City v Sunderland AFC – Saturday 17th February 2024 - KO 15:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Feb 15, 2024.

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Your Prediction:

Poll closed Feb 17, 2024.
  1. Home win

    21.4%
  2. Away win

    50.0%
  3. Draw

    28.6%
  1. Daz

    Daz Well-Known Member

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    Im not falling into that trap, just making an observation.
     
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  2. Sour Patch

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    Seelt played better at right back than Hume has for a while. Rigg hasn't looked out of place once at any time he has been on the pitch. Aouchiche doesn't play up front or wide right but Beale has used him there so he's proven he will use players out of position, plus based on the average positions against Huddersfield Jobe absolutely played as a 10. If he thinks Burstow is a physical presence he needs his badges removed. Hemir has produced the most xG per 90 out of any of our forwards, and joint most in the squad with Aouchiche which shows both of them get in great positions.
     
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  3. The Redbaron

    The Redbaron Well-Known Member

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    Yep, you are spot on ..I saw the same sort of players sat on the bench last season and look where that got us.
     
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  4. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    To be honest, I don't think anyone is scraping the barrel for support but things do get heated. From my point of view, there are people who don't like Beale who can put a sensible argument together and then there are people who aren't interested in a reasoned discussion. The second group come across as hysterical. In my opinion, of course.
     
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  5. The Redbaron

    The Redbaron Well-Known Member

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    Beale hasn't used Aoouchiche since Ipswich when he gave away the freekick for Chaplin to score from.
     
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  6. The Norton Cat

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    All reasonable observations but Beale and the coaching staff are the ones that work with the players everyday and have access to the full data set. Therefore, their decisions are going to be made with a greater degree of accuracy than our observations as fans.
     
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  7. Sour Patch

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    Correct, and it's a joke. If he's punishing him for a mistake I expect Jobe to be benched for the foreseeable for not passing to Clarke and Hume to be benched for conceding the free kick they scored from. O'Nien didn't get benched for conceding the free kick against Huddersfield so the punishment makes no sense.
     
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  8. Coastal Dolphins

    Coastal Dolphins Well-Known Member

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    Imo we have a slightly above average championship squad (there's credit to Speakman, Harvey and other recruitment bods centre forward situation excepting)

    We have a below average head coach with inexperienced and not his own, coaching support imo.

    Conclusion - going nowhere particularly positive any time soon if the above opinion is near the mark.
     
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  9. Sour Patch

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    I have access to the full data set. It's my job.
     
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  10. Wayne the Punk

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    I dont get what the deal is with Burstow, how he is getting a game is beyond me
     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    Well, then you should be able to provide clarity on a lot of the issues that are brought up on here. For instance, why was our right flank so narrow against Huddersfield? How did our average positions compare to Huddersfield's?

    Edit: and by full data set, I assume that means all of the data captured during training too.
     
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  12. Hudson92

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    Round and round in circles this thread now
     
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  13. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    Beale has absolutely shown the cold shoulder to AA. Played 20 mins since Jan. Unacceptable given our current midfield has been playing poorly for a while.
     
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  14. Wayne the Punk

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    Not that argument again, explain what the data must say about Burstow, because in his case at least I trust my eyes rather than the data

    You be telling everyone on here they have no idea about the game as they are not employed as coaches, you dont have to be a qualified coach to identify that someone isnt up to it.
     
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  15. The Norton Cat

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    It's not just about data though. It's about observations made in training and knowing the player on a personal level. It's madness to think that the head coach doesn't know more about an individual player than a fan.

    It's also about the particular job the coach wants the player to do as well. You have to assume that Beale feels Burstow is better at a certain aspect of the gams that he wants for this match than either Rusyn or Hemir.
     
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  16. Chunksafc

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    Are you suggesting the head coach and staff have got every decision correct about line up, tactics etc because of data, relationships and what they see in training?
     
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  17. TeamOfTalents

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    As someone pointed out on Twitter...apologising but never his fault.
     
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  18. LBW

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    We can stick or twist.
    The club are on record saying the expectations are play offs minimum.
    As we sit, that’s not happening so if we stick then the season will probably end up with us finishing around where we are now.
    If we twist and go for Cooper for example it shows ambition and intent, I’m sure a contract with well rewarded targets could attract the right man. That’s what I would do right now, say to Cooper right you’ve done it before here’s what we will give you if you do it with us !
    I really need to stop drinking early on a morning though.
     
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  19. TopCat.

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    He has history of falling out with players. Moyes was the same. They share an unhealthy arrogance
     
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  20. The Norton Cat

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    No. I'm saying that decisions that the coaching staff make, that might seem illogical to us as fans, are all made for a logical reason. Usually based on data, relationships, and what they see in training. It's not just incompetence. Especially not in the Championship.

    I've seen it dozens of times in non-league. The line-up is announced and I hear fans going "why the **** is he playing/not playing?". If it seems odd to me, I'll ask the manager (or the managers I have that kind of relationship with) later. There's always a well thought out reason. Sometimes it's the right decision sometimes it's not. And if it's not, they'll usually admit that, at least behind closed doors.
     
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