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Match Day Thread Birmingham City v Sunderland AFC – Saturday 17th February 2024 - KO 15:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Feb 15, 2024.

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  1. Sour Patch

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    I predict a long, drawn out period that results in his eventual sacking. Will probably be next season though.
     
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  2. Nads

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    It is very true that it’s not certain he snubbed Trai, for sure it looked that way.

    Facts are stand alone that wouldn't be a biggie, the biggie is the woefully inadequate last 2 games and lack of any momentum over the last 15 games or so.

    That said, fact we aren’t now 9-10 points from playoffs does suggest we aren’t alone in that and again we have to remember how competitive the league is.

    The biggest frustration is that I’m convinced within that squad there’s a settled team capable of winning games, and winning them well regularly.

    We have some real talent.
     
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  3. Whittylad

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    Agree what on earth he was trying to do with 3 defenders around him and Clarke totally free is beyond me. Terrible decision. Then has the audacity to tell the fans to up the volume. The fans were brilliant again yesterday frustrated yes but backed the lads throughout. Give us 100% is all we ask but we aren’t getting that. There are a lot of things wrong at the minute but the backing of the supporters isn’t one of them.
     
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  4. Pure River Slut

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    I’m not saying Beale will be great for us, and I’m worried about the football, equally it’s always right to give people the time and backing, of course. I’m taking this at face value. I’m not a conspiracy type, I don’t smoke weed and I’ve never been in a UFO. He seems genuinely gushing about Hume.
     
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  5. Prehab26

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    I think we will win the odd home game but will lose touch will play offs after the next 4 games.

    Finish about 14th and Beale will go. My bigger worry is Speakman has it in him to admit the mistake and get rid, paying off the remainder of the 1.5 years left on the contract. Fan reaction will dictate the pace of it all, if it's really bad and season ticket renewals are looking bad I see KLD pulling rank.
     
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  6. Wayne the Punk

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    He should have been shot for not passing to Clarke who was virtually clear on goal
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    Well said mate.

    To my mind, applauding at the end is an act of defiance and to remind the players that we've done our bit.

    It's not, as some believe, people thinking everything is rosy.
     
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  8. The Norton Cat

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    He's only got a certain number of players to choose from.
     
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  9. Bigmackem

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    I am of the opinion that Beale is at a loss as to who his his best players are or where to play them , yesterday it was evident that the halftime talk was keep things tight and our high press dropped back 10 to 15 yards it actually got mentioned on the SAFC commentary and gave Birmingham a way back in to the game . The players are being chopped and changed and the formation and tactics are being chopped and changed with the result being another two defeats to low in the league teams on the bounce . I would love to know what if any input Dodds and Proctor are having though I would doubt if they are having any as Beale seems the type to think he knows best .
     
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  10. FellTop

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    Sobered up, head hammering. Apols if I was a argumentative arsehole last night. Still think the fuss about Hume is petty though. I cannot see why it is such a big deal. In my opinion it isnt a big deal. Certainly not the sackable offence some seem to think.

    When players used to all come off when subbed to where players were coming on it was all but impossible not to shake hands. The game was stopped and everything was in one place. Now it is different with players having to walk round the pitch and it could be a minute or so before they get to the manager. If the manager is in the tech area focussing on his job of coaching, trying to find a way to rescue another poor performance with a goal from somewhere, no issues from me with not being switched on to the minor stuff of a handshake with a player you will see again in 2 mins.

    As for Beale the coach. It didnt work again yesterday. 2 games in a row I havent seen enough. Players are clearly struggling for form and in my opion he has not made the right changes. The engine room needs more legs and energy. Rigg should be that player. We need a runner up front which shouls be Rusyn. We need a more consistent approach down the right and that should be Ba. Hjelde is shaky I think and it should be Hume and Seelt at full back. Ekwah and Jobe need time out. Neil starting to look like the lone ranger in midfield and is getting caught because of it. Adil not getting any time is odd.

    Should be be sacked? Of course not. I know it is only my opinion. But if we are sacking managers every 2 minutes there is no chance of progression. Summer is the time to review it. Just dont expect a queue of highly rated coaches knocking at our door if we sack another.
     
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  11. Pure River Slut

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    I’m not sure about him. He isn’t as terrible as people state. He is maybe not good enough. I say maybe as it isn’t entirely his fault. There are significant imbalances in our squad which he can do nowt about and it’s knocking the players confidence. The gobshites are literally blaming Speakman and recruitment in thread one and saying it’s all Beale in thread two. It’s that and the players and other factors like the market, financial complications, injuries, player confidence and on we go. It won’t get sorted until summer so we have to hang in there and those who can’t regulate maybe need a break from football and keyboards.
     
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  12. FellTop

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    I clapped at the end. But as I was in a box surrounded by Brummies I think it was a bit lost on the players <laugh>

    I always try to see every game out as a supporter and show my appreciation. When we lose it is more important. I think of it as a way to show them we are still with them and we can go again.
     
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  13. Pure River Slut

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    Simple question. If Hume hadn’t shaken Beales hand would people be calling for Hume to be sacked ? Or saying even that was Beales fault ?
    Also If Hume hated Beale would he have his hand out in the first place ?
    Im still not sure of Beale but feel it’s right to challenge inappropriate comments and emabarassingly biased people.
     
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    I doubt Hume is sat there this morning stressing about it tbh. I suspect he is more angry at the performances of the last 2 games and chewing over what he needs to do to get everyone better. In most sides there is usually a few players who are a bit of a senior group talking amongst each other about how to get more out of the game. Suspect he is one of those in our side and they will be digging each other out. Hope so anyway.
     
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  15. Sour Patch

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    Why doesn't he use them then? Seelt, Rigg and Aouchiche got ZERO minutes against Huddersfield and Birmingham. What have they done to deserve that? Why is he persisting with a loan striker who is arguably our worst player? What is Hemir supposed to do with 3 minutes?
     
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    It's interesting the emotive language used to describe people that have a more negative view of yesterday's "incident"
     
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    I think that's one of the biggest frustrations for a lot of people. We aren't at the races but the changes made are generally the same ones.

    Rigg especially has had very little game time this season, which in part you can understand as he's so young, but we have Jobe at 18 playing nearly every game amd I don't think there is that much difference in levels between the 2 of them.
     
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  18. The Norton Cat

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    Seelt plays right back or centre back. Hume and O'Nien/Ballard are ahead of him in those positions. Plenty wouldn't drop any of them.
    Rigg is 16 and, based on the fact that he hasn't had many games under Mowbray or Beale, it probably indicates that he's not ready for to be a first team regular.
    Although he's played central midfield, Aouchiche is more of a 10 and we haven't been starting with one of those.
    I'm guessing, but I'd imagine Burstow was picked because he wanted someone with more of a physical presence than Rusyn.
    Hemir hasn't been great either and was clearly chucked on as a last throw of the dice.

    Half of his critics claim Beale hasn't/won't change anything. The other half claim he tinkers too much. Which suggests that there is no real consensus on what he's done or doing wrong and it's just a blinkered dislike for him.
     
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    Everyone has a right to an opinion but it gets a bit hostile when one side of the argument is having to scrape the barrel for support. It’s a shame it’s getting to this mind.
     
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  20. The Norton Cat

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    Which side is which?
     
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