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Red Bull Racing: Team Thread

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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Its hard to see at the front of the pods but my instant reaction was very similar to marc at the engine cover area and also ferrari.

    however we need to see the deal from all angles as it could be extremely narrow where the red bull wording is and be some amazing innovation for all we can see.
     
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    Early leak ahead of the 7:30pm official launch.

    Again- plenty of detail hidden but some clear differences visible. Lots of rumours that this is nothing more than a placeholder for what’s coming in Bahrain.

    Talk of an almost zero pod from Newey <yikes> - are they going to troll Mercedes??

    Merc did always say the sidepod wasn’t the issue!
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it looks extremely cut in with that top budget.

    anything is possible.

    I cannot see the side pod entry so....
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    there's no side pod entry in thr launch.

    there's something down low that's impossible to see in the launch images but the side pod is basically a blade shouting air just down.

    I cannot see the actual entry.
     
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  5. TopClass

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    Definitely some major hiding going on here we think?

    From what we can see, it’s a hell of a sculpted car isn’t it.

    Has Newey created a fast beast but one that may challenge reliability like those McLarens of the 2000s? There’s always a balance to be struck - not long to find out.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it looks like they have just gone more extreme in the diffraction they were going last year.

    the nose is fake. we won't see that until testing. there's no way the nose we see failed an impact test.

    the front of the pod that's not a pod is lift as high as high can be so it's gathering every bit of air possible to push it all out to the floor edge. it looks deliberate rather than a fake out.

    the floor edge is hidden.

    the upper bulge must be where cooling gaps are needed up there for components.

    the rear wing is radical too.

    the back of car wasn't allowed to be shown so the diffuser must be complex.

    the floor is likely to be heavily evolved to power the floor edge vortices better than last year.

    it's all about cooling. if it can cool everything like it needs to then this is another newey masterpiece that we have not even seen the half of.

    there's noting radical in the suspensions so incremental changes probably.

    the weight will be the next question
     
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    upload_2024-2-15_21-56-25.jpeg

    The undercut and microscopic inlets are insane.
     
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    What on earth is going on at the back of this car? Looks like it's wearing a rubber ring or is slowly morphing in to a dinghy.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    turbos

    look at the rear wing though. compare thst to the start of this era of regs.

    it's utterly different and compelrte detached. I'd say turbulent air pours off tjst now.
     
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    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I would have bet the house on the car being a evolution of last years.

    A part of me does wonder about the risk of such a radical change, given they probably could have won Bahrain by just shipping the RB19 straight there after Abu Dhabi. It's Newey though so chances are this is him being several steps ahead of the rest again
     
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    From Andrew Benson Formula 1 BBC SPORT.

    BBC Sport asked Newey what these were, and he said he could not say. He has always been cagey about his designs, especially when they first emerge.
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it seems to me the conventional wisdom are telling us that the floation aids are actually creating channell to keep the dirty air from the cockpit and halo contained and funnelled out away from the downforce generating rear parts.

    I'm sure there's more than empty space being concealed up there.

    the beak is driving clean air all down the body and down to thr rear tyre/ diffuser/ beam win zone so the floats stop that getting messed up. it is very rounded so like the under side of the car is looking for smooth smooth air.

    the outwash of the front tyre air down and out with this new design will be massive. imo merc messed up with zero pod as that dirty tyre air was running down the car.

    this seems to trap great heaps of it and outwash to the floor sides.

    the rear wing is the separate structure like severals

    we need better shots of the size of the air inlets.

    we need shots of thr back of the car and diffuser.

    we need shots of the real nose and that one is not powering the under floor.

    low drag, high downforce is what they are seeking. if they can run even more rake with this set up and they've really high stop speeds even without drs it'll be interesting.
     
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    Given Newey's love of building sailing things, I'm hoping he got distracted and sketched a life raft that the design team didn't question.
     
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    Seems like more news on the Horner situation has come out in the Dutch press. No telling how accurate it is, but they better hold on to their backsides if nor.

    If it is accurate then it begs the question why he's not suspended pending the investigation.

    I'll let you all go look it up rather than posting it here given that I'm not jumping to any conclusions until there is something official.

    It's interesting that's this stuff is being fed to news outlets in the Netherlands though.
     
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  15. push

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    Found this shot on the internet.

    Does it give any better view of the air inlets?
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    The Red Bull RB 20
     
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    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    From what a lot of teams are showing there are a lot of renderings. I think things might look somewhat different next week.
     
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    Yes, very true.
     
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    Think it may be in the Daily Mail here in the UK today. Not a reader, seen front page on the BBC website.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I doubt they will look terribly different.

    different yes but the shakedown are already happening and the big trams are locked in.

    ground effect is about stability under load, useable downforce right through the speeds, drag and how you deal with losses and dirty air.

    when the engines seem kind of very similar in power and torque (maybe ferrari has best traction out of slow corners) then the difference is all down to how you take corners and how drag slows your ultimate top speed.

    I don't see anyone having a 2 aeocnd or 2 second lead anymore.

    I don't see a drs procession into the distance for red bull either.

    we are talking about 0.2 to 0.5 seconds lead red bull are trying to keep.

    I do think a lot of this is in the underside of the car and have not seen close ups of the big challengers yet.
     
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    From sky F1 podcast Bernie Collins,

    I think maybe years in F1 have made me suspicious,” she said in the latest Sky F1 podcast, “so let’s see the car that rolls out on Day One in Bahrain because I’m not sure it’s going to be that car.

    Seems like Red Bull have a completely different car and they have just rolled out a dummy car up till now.
     
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