Can't help feeling that the same people who dig out and mock the 'snowflakes' or 'woke' for being offended at anything that's perceived as being derogatory, are the same people who are eager to label similar behaviour as anti-semitic when it's directed at another minority group. Seems the logic doesn't apply both ways..... That's not digging out anybody on here btw, just a general observation in society atm.
I don't think it really matters how you or I see it, more importantly it's how those it affects see it.
Again, I agree. ....to a point. Somebody writing 'Free Palestine' isn't Anti-Semitic and that needs to be called out imo, because otherwise all kinds of legitimate protest gets quashed.
Put 'Free Palestine' leaflets in the goods you sell then, if you really and truly feel as such. Keep us updated how it works out.
It don't affect me so I don't care. As I said if you feel so strongly about it, stick material in your produce stating your support, any profits you could donate to charity, then thank me later if you get busted by the old bill lol..
What I'm asking is should people have the right to say/write 'Free Palestine' without it being labelled as anti-semitic But you don't care, so it doesn't matter what you think
I wouldn't put free Palestine leaftets in with my products, but I support the right for people to express that opinion Do you think people should have the right to express that opinion without being labelled as Anti-semitic ?
It doesn't matter anyway, because you're just trying to personalise the issue with a strawman argument rather than answer the actual question.
No Straight answer. Neither is protesting outside an MP's house no matter how distasteful on other grounds. Nor is either illegal btw. Freedom and independence for Palestinians living under illegal occupation - in any democracratic society should be supported not vilified.
It's deflection and propaganda with the support of mainly right wing rags because Israel and its supporters have nothing else to counter tens of thousands in Gaza getting massacred.
I’d rather people didn’t protest outside of somebody’s house as a think everybody has the right to a peaceful home but I also believe that everybody has the right to live in their home without being blown to pieces by an Israeli rocket
It really don't matter how I see it, and I genuinely don't care either way, but if I know something is offensive to a particular group of people, then I would look at my reasons of why I need to say/do it, and possibly adjust my behaviour - whether other people do it is up to them. Much like I wouldn't draw a picture of Allah, not that because I would see it as legal or illegal, the law has nothing to do it with it, but because I wouldn't want to offend people or create any sort of anxiety by doing it. Much like I'm unlikely to say 'Free Palestine' so any law behind it is irrelevant to me, if there is a law, do I think it's right, i'll leave it up to the policymakers until such time I do feel it affects me. Pinkie is in Cornwall, far away from London, so he can have no idea how such things affect Jews that do, but it suits his purpose of making a fuss because he supports Palestine, so there is already a bias.
I grew up in London at the time the BNP were around. I used to go on demos and like @remembercolinlee i also got a kicking from the old bill for doing so. I also know the fear that black and Asian friends used to have walking the streets, waiting at bus stops, and going into certain pubs etc. especially after the Steven Lawrence murder. I think there are real concerns with hate speech and discrimination against minority / religious groups. What I think is equally important though, is that genuine protest isn’t lumped in with it, because that not only sets a dangerous precedent to limit protest, but also weakens the argument when genuine hate speech/behaviour is demonstrated
Another example is Yids, should that be termed as offensive or not, I never use to have a clue what it meant and never realised it was aimed at Spurs fans. I can't deem something as offensive if I never knew the word existed in the first place, but again the same rule applies, if it avoids offence or anxieties then I will not say it, not that I would have anyway. Another example is I used to get called Pikey, I just took it as bantz and it wasn't a problem for me, but then some of my lot kicked off, and I then asked those that knew me not to say it, not because it was legal or illegal, not because I found it offensive, but because other people did, so lets remove the anxiety and not say it. It really isn't difficult, unless someone has their own objectives of making a point which is often nearer the truth.
The Jewish community called out Spurs fans for using the word Yid and Yiddo in their chants. Spurs fans argument was that they use it in a positive way, but you could argue that’s like a white person claiming they are using the N word in a positive way when it’s offensive to black people.
... all in a lifetime ... where there's a will... ... and I rarely agree with anyone ... it's part of my charm
