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Match Day Thread Toon v Hatters

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  1. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    That's not what I think that's why you are forcing your own opinion I'm afraid folders mate.

    You disagree and so what ... you should think the same :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  2. Roland Deschain

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    I actually think Howe is bad at a few things. Loyalty, in game management, player rotation and flexibility to name four. Last season with far fewer games and the element of surprise/feel good/momentum coupled with Liverpool, Chelsea AND Spurs being poor helped him get 4th. What we’ve seen since has been inflexibility,’obstinance and a lot of limitations.

    We’re not getting back to the CL, let alone winning owt, with him in charge bringing in his British characters and running our best into the ground. Not bashing Brits, we’ve got a lot of talent, just he puts the wrong traits first. We’ve stuck with 3 in midfield regardless of how inappropriate and slow our available players are.

    Hes just really limited. Thing is he’s been given enough rope by Staveley, especially with this physio decision. Continued failure won’t be tolerated. I do worry we’ll wander into next season with a handful of Howe purchases and be left with a bigger rebuild than we currently need.
     
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    Not forcing my opinion I’m simply expressing it and then clarifying it when you respond. It seems you can make a point but I’m not allowed to.
     
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  4. Roland Deschain

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    Welshie summed it up well, clearly an excellent coach but just something missing in club, team and game management.
     
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  5. Toonitus

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    Unfortunately you're trying to belittle and completely dismiss my opinion wheres I'm actually fine with yours as stated throughout our chat.

    Ultimately it doesn't really matter mate so we can just agree and disagree especially when it's opinion based.

    I think his in game management is absolutely dreadful and I don't think his style of play is condusive with what he has at his disposal.

    The future will help us decide more clearly and as I've said you're perfectly entitled to a different view.
     
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  6. Magdad

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    Some of this is OTT.

    Only buys British, Yet the heart of our team is Botman, Bruno, Isak. 3 players he brought in and not one of them British. Other main stays in the match day squad are Joelinton, Schar and Miggy......Not one British player in there either.

    The accusation of player rotation is unjustified this year as he simply hasn't had the options available to him in a lot (not all) positions. Last year however he regularly rotated between Isak/Wilson, Joeliniton/Willock, Miggy/Murphy, ASM/Joelinton/Gordon. Keep in mind Targett was ****ed for LB, Krafth was ****ed at RB, and not enough cover elsewhere.

    The issue you have with 3 midfielders is baffling as it is puzzling to me, how many midfielders do you think we'd play with in this 4-2-3-1 you cry out for? I'll give you a clue Sherlock, it one more than 2 and one less than 4. makes no difference if they're called acm, dcm, dlp, bwm, ap, box to box, Anchor, Half Back, mezzala, Carrilero or Segundo Volante.....They're all midfielder roles and we'd still play with 3 of them.

    As for his in-game management, I think a part of the issue this season has been the new rules stopping the **** housing. Let's be fair we were masters at it last year, so to say he's **** at it is a tad unfair. I think a better description would be he's been slow to adapt.

    The actual issue of substitutions is a moot point since I've seen us name team sheets with 4 full backs and 3 keepers this year.

    The loyalty point you bring up I'm kind of inclined to agree with you on if it's one of his favourites.
     
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  7. Prince Isak (GG)

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    This is the only problem with Howe for me and it’s the loyalty thing.

    He’s got a lot of things right. We have had mega injury problems. He could have rotated a little bit earlier in the season but I’m saying that with hindsight.

    Burn is the obvious one for me when he constantly plays him when Livermento is obviously a better player.

    Having said that we don’t know if Livermento is carrying a knock.

    Miggy is my final gripe. He’s not good enough for top six if I am honest. But then injuries have meant we could mix it up like you say.

    Obviousky this is not a bedwetting post merely a sensible objective opinion

    Howe is the best manager we have had since Bobby.

    Just need to get through this season and do as best we can. Then replace some of the deadwood.
     
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  8. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Heard that Burn is having injections in his back at the moment due to the pain
     
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  9. Prince Isak (GG)

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    Then that’s bizarre if he is and still Howe chooses him over Livermento.
     
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    Totally agree.
     
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    Howes huff and puff style of play is imo a major reason behind the Injuries. Time will tell because you can't just blame luck the injuries continue all season and next.
     
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    Injuries weren't bad last season though.
     
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    Majority of the early injuries were freak injuries. The more recent injuries are down to fatigue and being over played due to no one else being available.

    I find it humorous that people slate EH for not rotating but at the same time lambast Murphy, Longstaff and Lascelles when they come in.
     
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    We weren't in Europe.
     
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    Damned Brexit <laugh>
     
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    Well we're out next season so howes inexperienced approach will work again.
     
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  17. Magdad

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    Which other than that crap Co-efficient bollox and the money isn't necessarily a bad thing.
     
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    It isn't but if we qualify the same thing will happen potentially, but I dont think Howe will be at the club by then personally. I could be wrong, but his history at Bournemouth and what I've seen over the past year or so have convinced me that he's got a huge flaw.

    If they chuck more money at it this summer we should be able to actually control a game and he will have no excuse for this huff and puff football... the games developed.
     
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  19. Magdad

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    The high intensity game worked last season, has failed this year due to amount of games and lack of bodies. (I hope). Of course the main thing which needs to have been learned this year is how to schedule training around these midweek games.

    I have a feeling we could see 5 or 6 through the door in the summer and then there is no real excuse.
     
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  20. Roland Deschain

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    Luton are epitomising the short blanket Rafa spoke about. Rob Edwards has decided having a go is worth exposing the back line, the opposite of Rafa keeping it tight with a hugely limited squad. But I don’t quite get what Howe wants. High press is fine if you’ve got the talent, but when you’re running on empty shouldn’t it change? Because if you can’t quite keep up the high press you’re just going to expose yourself without keeping a decent shape.
     
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