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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Oct 29, 2022.

  1. Heimdallr

    Heimdallr Well-Known Member

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    Hard to know if it's the entire reason or mismanagement and expensive debt is directing Hertz's choice/blame... Probably a combination of both. Share price has more than halved since summer, long before they blamed electric cars and it's down 2% today after the news, indicating the market thinks it's bullshit.

    I think the next big hurdle for EVs will be the outcome of the European ruling on Chinese car brands and if they implement protectionism - prices rising 25-40% will make a huge difference...

    I'm driving a Nio ET5 touring with a 100kwh battery at the moment for work - no problems, it's -10 degrees and the range reduction is reduced from around 580km to 480km, so 17%. The battery is replaceable, so range won't reduce over time as I get a new battery every 6 months.
     
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    Heimdallr Well-Known Member

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    It's lithium for the batteries for smartphones and tablets that we are posting on as well. They should pass some laws in the Congo.
     
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    And in other areas where they get lithium and cobalt from such as South America.
     
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    Have they? that’s good then, you learn something new every day, I was totally unaware how they got the coloured smoke, never really gave it a thought.
     
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    This should kill off the concept of an electric car, they just need to sort out the fuel infrastructure now!!!

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    Post that picture without the wheel, and I would have no idea what I was looking at. Though, certainly not a domestic appliance. Staggering technology.
     
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    I won't be holding my breath :emoticon-0145-shake
     
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  9. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

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    BMW yesterday, Honda today….its coming

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  10. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

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    Just seen this…shocking if true IMG_5576.jpeg
     
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    Not going to agree with or dispute these numbers, I'm just thankful they don't make them one at a time.
     
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    When this is posted on Instagram, it flags it up as being inaccurate, so it's probably not very accurate (over half the world's lithium production isn't even mined).

    Even if it was, 250 tons isn't much in mining terms, you have to dig up that much just to get a single one karat diamond.
     
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    Not to mention the shocking work conditions in some of the mines, using both slave and child labour
     
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  14. AlRawdah

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    It puzzles me why people are so surprised about things like this. If you want to:

    1. Create a metal box that is a tonne, or perhaps two tonnes in weight, and
    2. Propel that tonne or two of metal down a road at a speed faster than practically any living creature on earth,

    then you are inevitably going to need a lot of resources to make that box, and lots more resources to power it. Whether you use hydrocarbons, stored electricity, generated electricity (hydrogen fuel cells) or anything else, your box is going to need masses of power. And you will always need to expend masses of energy to create an on-board source for that power.

    The idea that there is a panacea out there that makes all the problems go away is for the birds. Use the wind and the sun to create hydrogen from water, then use that hydrogen to propel your car, that's perhaps the least worst option available right now. But of course, most people don't want a turbine or a solar farm near their towns and villages.
     
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    Yep. We need to start having more serious conversations about the amount of cars on the roads and how we can reduce it, regardless of how they're powered. Not only for environmental reasons but also health, public safety and quality of life. But in general, there doesn't seem to be much appetite to consider this at all.
     
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    Plus the amount of carbon burnt to produce the steel
     
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    Price of train travel being so exorbitant doesn't help
     
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    Yep, it's all part of the problem. A progressive society would want to look at this.
     
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  19. Heimdallr

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    Not much better in the oil industry. I finished a shift last week and someone had used all the paper in the ****ter and not replaced from the basket outside, so I had to crab walk, with my overalls round my ankles, to get a roll. I doubt very much a 10 year old miner in the Congo has to suffer this indignity.
     
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    Any examples of progressive societies wanting to look at that. Good luck with getting anywhere at inconvenient times of the day if public transport is the only option. We arecway behind a lot of countries in that regard. And it would be even worse the more we have to rely on public transport as the unions would have the upper hand and go on about work life balance, unsocial hours etc and demand such wages as cheap public transport, especially at awkward hours, Bank holidays etc would be impossible.
     
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