Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Exactly, two average teams running around the pitch but doing **** all. Never looked like Spurs would score a winner.

Dominating possession is useless unless you actually do something with it, otherwise you're just running around a football pitch.
Spain used to dominate possession as well, and they were as dull as dishwater, but at least they scored when they had to.

 

Wouldn't make a difference, Salah would be a sulky twat

 

Is today the day that the premier league club finally have to come to their senses?

It seems to me they are being dragged kicking and screaming to the realisation.

Not only that but media outlets owned by some dodgy middle eastern actors seem to want to put it out that its entirely negative and clubs should be allowed spend anything they like.

I hope a league table of clubs is drawn up to show who's in the most trouble.

Every clubs target should be 0, not -105. remember -105 is a serious breach and -104 means the owners have squeaked in but have to make that up to their debtors. When I hear the words "we have scope" i shudder to be honest as what that fan is saying is we should run at a massive loss right up to the limit and to hell with the consequences.

Not every transfer works, not every revenue stream pans out. you might not qualify for europe, you might drop out of the CL. If you are to the bone then there's no scope to absorb losses.

I really hope this is the start of at least a calming of the situation. I don't think its a full solution as Everton and forest are being done for covid or mad spending that was all very exciting. If that washed out then there's still a lot of scope for clubs doing mindless things in these rules.

The point of the rules is that in 20 years or 50 years fans still have their club. I hear a lot talking about keeping big clubs at the top but in reality its not stopped anyone if they have a rational model of business to improve and grow.

The focus should be on making more money not just sugar daddies. Unfortunately that means clubs have to fleece the fans they have or invent fake revenues.

 

Yes I've seen plenty of comments crying about the "big clubs" wanting to keep the status quo.

Not a thought goes out to the likes of Brighton though who are progressing as a club by selling their best players and reinvesting that money, and still remaining competitive. They even have progression plans for if their manager is poached.

 

no they don't like to be told we'll runnclubs make lots of progress.

but for Brighton they are trapped in a scenario where revenue is less than 200mil by some part so unless they actually grow it via bigger ground, higher revenues from sponsorships etc. then they cannot do any better as wages can't match the big wasteful clubs.

Brighton would be just about the prime example of maximising potential in the prem.

Brighton have built their 32k amex stadium so they are quite possiblely already maximised there. they have hospitality on site.

realistically what can they do now to grow their revenues more? I don't really know outside pushing the sponsorship side into a more global position.

it's really tough when one club sits on 700 or even 500 I'd not faking it and a other is on 180mil

 

The way I se this is simple enough

Everton
-120.9mil in 2019/20
-£354.8m in 2020/21 this is the millstone round thier necks.
-£44.7m in 2021/22

Revenues:
Fairly flat around 180/190mil. (no bigger than the lower end clubs in the prem)

A quick look at the amortisation curve
Amortisation
2015/16 22,398
2016/17 37,298
2017/18 66,933
2018/19 95,100
2019/20 99,200
2020/21 81,200

this demonstrates the "bubble" of future payments over time that clubs incur by pushing the boat out.

But in the covid year everton sought to put 170mil of losses into their acocunts that could be written off and not included in ffp. This is an estimate based on what Everton "Might have done" if not for covid. this is where the problem arose. It was pure fantasy option of what they would do.

everton actually exceeded the 170 and put in 220mil on the basis of they would have sold players and made even more. this is again even cheekier approach.

Everton were put down last time at at least 125million losses. Something like that for the purposes of FFP.

The question will be what losses in 21/22 and 22/23 will everton post to live with that 354.8mil loss.

Their issue is they really believed the got away with it Last time round and suddenly AFTER the summer window was closed in 23/24 they were charged and docked 10 points for 21/22 so they've not have the ability in 22/23 to see players to balance this out.

I think there would be an element of unfairness here to punish everton twice without giving them an opportunity to change their ways after the first punishment.

The Prem has that issue as they have been lax imo and should have had clear rules on submission of results and the changes etc day 1.

I think forest should face 10points deduction and everton a fine on the basis that they've not been enabled to konw what the target was to fix this.

 

I look a look back in time at LFC amortisation numbers

I used gov.co.uk looked back at Liverpool account to compare this as found the usual sites that report on LFC accounts focus only on profit and loss or player trading profits. it was really easy find the accounts but I don't know what Depreciation, amortisation and impairment included in each year summary

16/17 66mil
17/18 87mil After this we spend big on VVD, Mo, Ox and robertson so 120mil we also did deals for naby and i'm not sure on the timings in 2018 when fabinho and alssion arrived
18/19 122mil Now the thing has jumped. What do we do? stop spending as much and start managing it.
19/20 115mil
20/21 117mil (jota, thiago, tsimikas come in, others drop off the list i'm sure)
21/22 114mil

We have this burden all the time. but theres players of value coming off on one end and more being added at the other. For example keita leaves on a free , his portion drops off. If you sign a new contract for longer you can reduce the amortisation by putting it over longer time i think.

Its pretty clear we've not continued to spend really big like some clubs but the answer could be right there. Theres a limit to this expense FSG are willing to bear.

When you then compare the above everton amortisation numbers wiht LFC numbers you find that everton have less than 200mil in revenue to cover it where as we have or had nearly 600mil.

Everton bought terrible players and ran up that amortisation curve, some of them are still there. The lesson again is buy the right players but also cut your losses quickly.

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Financial rule breaking should never be punishable in the form of a fine; they clearly didn't give a **** about finances before so why would they now?

Might seem harsh to punish them again but they knew what they were doing and they knew a three year period was reviewed annually too. ****'em!

Just hope Man City (and Chelsea) get their just deserts!

 

Wants to manage Liverpool is dying wish
https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/sven-goran-eriksson

 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe6aUD72/

 

Just **** their after match interviews etc off and see if they want Liverpool matches much after that.

Edit: Or just do yes, no answers. Haven't broken any obligations that way.

 

there's no such thing as a lfc pick.

that's the first thing.

tnt get a total of 6 2nd choice game picks for their 12:30 slot and the rest are 5th choice picks. sky have priority calls.

that's how it works.

if lfc v brighton is not a sky no 1 pick and tbt can pick next then it makes sense.

what also makes sense for tnt is to pick after internationals as there's no Europe games to block them either.

they are so restricted in what game they can get their hands on that exactly what happens makes perfect sense.

 

We might drop points against Bournemouth.

 

I always found Sven likable. I think it would be great if he could manage the club for some charity event.

 

NOTTINGHAM FOREST ALSO CHARGED....ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL.

Everton and Nottingham Forest charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL.....
Everton and Nottingham Forest charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League - BBC Sport

 

have the premier league published a league table of ffp clubs to show if certain owners are basically propping up clubs and they are just squeeking under this limit of serious breach

 

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...but some are more equal than others.