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Match Day Thread Bristol City v Millwall

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Robin, Dec 30, 2023.

  1. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    He can't change the players he inherited and their player characteristics, they were bought to suit Nige's way of playing. It will take time for LM to stamp his authority on the team, as it did Nige. I do laugh at how some people see Nige as a god on here and give him a free pass, yet hammer those before him, and now after him:emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  2. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    After ten/eleven games, minimal training time unless Liam Manning is the new messiah he will not have established plan A. Even the great and good take a season, have a look at Klopp and Guardiola's first seasons at Liverpool and Man City with great players at their disposal. I could be wrong mind and Jon Lansdown has recruited a man with truly remarkable abilities.
     
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  3. AshtonRed

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    I’m not hammering him, just thought he might have tried something different Saturday as they nullified our system, yet we didn’t try anything to counter them, I get it’s going to take a while, but he could’ve tried something different.
     
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  4. realred1952

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    he has stated himself and his assistant determine the opposition and try to set up accordingly .. Thats his Plan A and a plan B is likely the consequences of his actions after the KO.
    All teams do homework, so they might see something they can counter or press on! Should the opposition line up differently or play the un expected player then it ids down to on pitch adjustment! It is great the forwards come back to defend corners but sometimes [ most teams ] they tend to not be in the right place or obstruct their own defenders? ...............especially in the last 5 -10 minutes!
     
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  5. Angelicnumber16

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    The group of players we have, aside from Bell, Pring, Conway and co (all of which will undoubtedly be sold at some point soon as well) are inadequate to be pushing for a top 6 finish as was amply demonstrated yesterday,

    If LM thinks that the purse strings will be loosened anytime soon to buy some real quality, even if we get another £50m plus from selling our best assets, he's sadly mistaken

    It'll be a case of more journeymen and L1 players coming in as the cycle repeats itself yet again.

    The club is run by amateurs who don't know football, and when it comes down to it, they have no desire other than to be a lower league Championship team.
     
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  6. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    £50m plus, yeah right, the three you listed we’d struggle to get much more than £10m at present. Our best assets have already been sold. Knight if he keeps on improving we may well get a reasonable amount for and possibly Conway IF we actually play him in his best role, keep doing what we’re doing and he’ll be gone soon for not very much.
     
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  7. Redprintt

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    I never gave Pearson a free pass.
    It's just we disagreed about the mess Pearson inherited.
     
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  8. RedorDead

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    This Irish lad Murphy they are predicting to be the next Alex Scott type of player. I’m guessing that with Southampton and Brighton also looking at him. We done some sort of deal in the summer to get him. Unless the rumours are untrue and he’s not signing now.

    We have now completed another signing from Guernsey today. A 16 year old forward. Jack Griffin
    https://www.bcfc.co.uk/academy-news/city-sign-griffin/
     
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  9. Red Alert

    Red Alert Well-Known Member

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    Any sign of the front door football?
     
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  10. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Reading between the lines on our transfer dealings so far how on earth can we produce the team that Lansdown appears to think we should be when we bring in less than stellar footballers to improve our lot? Even if these new signings make the grade the chances are high we will trade them for good money, plus possible add-ons, to whoever offers the highest bid - and so on and so on. That's somewhat akin to attempting to build a new house and halfway into the project remove the best bricks and replace them with inferior products which means in reality that the house will never be completed or will collapse during the process. If you were offered those kinds of terms when building your dream home I hope you would laugh your socks off, but that regrettably sums up the business plan at Bristol City. What I just said is a lie as we have never had a true business plan or even backups that make sense to anyone with a brain. :headbang:
     
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  11. RedorDead

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    Because we lose a **** load of money every year and have to sell so we stay inside FFP rules. If we never sold Scott or Semenyo last year we would be on points deduction now. Thats even with Lansdown bailing out the max he is permitted. Look around at clubs you can see they’ve been hit with penalties, we’ve been able to stay within because of way it’s run. Just went off rails allowing MA and LJ loose on the funds.
    Every club is a selling club, just we notice it more because it’s our club.
    Three years ago, when we bought Scott and Semenyo being loaned out all the time bet people complained wasting our time on unknowns then. A few on here said Semenyo is not a championship player. Look at him now.
     
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  12. Supcon72

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    But why are we still losing a $hit load of money now? The big squad and big earners from the LJ/MA that everyone blames for our financial issues are long gone, yet we are still c£30m in arrears at the end of 2023, which a staff cost bill that has risen by c£6m since the same time 2022, despite the offloading of expensive players through 2023.
     
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  13. realred1952

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    it has not all fed through the system yet for 22/23, 23/24 will have residues from 22/23 some plus some minus but Plus should be better than the minus ....
    ACCOUNTANTS are not silly!!! [ some might try and do what a dodgy club ask's..lol = possible points deduction for them! ] Doing a 13 month accounting period can be a date for future finals I wouldnt think it would be for a 11 month period? but could be .

    really must seek out the accounts and have a peruse!
     
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  14. realred1952

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    Ok finally got in to them and read the appendix type notations good news is we actually lost £16,9m as the forward movement to 13 months was one that gave 1 month of expenses without any income! EOY is now 30th June, so next accounts will be 12 months to June 30th 2024.
    I think it includes SEMENYO'S fee and player dealings to 1st July 2023 a profit of £9.5m SO next account should start with AS fee and any wages saved /paid off to players leaving after 30 th JUNE!
    Likely we are paying NP till EOS and likewise other coach's that left.
     
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  15. RedorDead

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    Few things. One like JGF says above. Doing it this way, allows two rolling years especially with lower wages and Scott sale on next years gives longer rolling rather than one really good year. I believe that’s what they meant when they said “good nest egg”
    Also the other big factor is we ran contracts down on high wages, when we bought these players it was to hopefully improve and sell at profits or even sell but still getting wages moved and some money into account's. But that never happened and they left with no money brought back into the club.
    And the other thing is when you look at the money on income of fans coming in compared to outgoings very few clubs without any sales ever make money. In the past few years we’ve sold and made good money on 2 players, compo on HNM and got some money from Bentley. Plus the odd few quid on Towler and the likes. Without the two AS got any income on players since before Covid in 2020.
    To actually make any money you need to be in the Premiership. Which is something we all know and that’s we’ve never been in.
    One thing I’ve never understood about FFP is the agreed fee of 39 million over 3 year period was set in the noughties but wages and cost then are massively lower than today. So why has that rolling 39 never been increased? Dont make any sense to me.
     
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  16. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Having got rid of a bloated squad with big wages and with average attendances of 20,000 or more compared to what we were getting a few years ago, we should be quids in
     
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  17. realred1952

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    when they draw a line in the sand there should be a mechanism to follow trends in the economy [ general and sport ] If you take the last inflation figure which was around 10% +/- then just that application would put it at around £43/£44m! even a 1-2% increase annually but applied say every 3 years might work ... however a rolling amount of [ to cover ] 3 year max losses would be difficult to follow if not set out in stone as opposed to a fluctuating one.###
    One rule is it should reflect a % of income!
    If you take all income over 12 month's and subtract all expenditure you get a simple figure! However Accounts dont exactly work like that you get things like depreciation/ amortization/ etc's
    The 13th month was pure expenditure, the accountants likely saw it as a stumbling block for 23/24 accounts? so bit the bullet on the 22/23 account! It also brings it more in line with EFL accounting period?

    ### A club might be going to "try it on" based on a fixed 3 year £39m so know speculation would take them close to breaking the rules! now if they "assume" that future 3 year periods will increase so that a period becomes £43m, say and it doesnt they would be up the creek! [ like inflation is very low or mechanism doesnt allow it to rise ] ??????????????????
     
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