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How to solve our striker crisis in January?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by alcoauth, Dec 27, 2023.

  1. Sour Patch

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    It was 1m and he was 25.
     
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  2. Sour Patch

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    No idea if there's any truth to it really. We can't be offering bad wages though considering the players who have signed new deals because I doubt players as talented and highly thought of as Neil, Cirkin and the others would've agreed to new deals if our wages offered were much less than other clubs at the level.

    I do think we will see a different, more aggressive approach in the market since we have made a big sale and that allows more financial freedom.
     
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    I appreciate your question wasn't aimed at me, but thought I'd add my thoughts (not that anyone is interested)

    Our wages bill sits around 65/70% of turnover, which is brilliant and ahead of schedule for the new ffp rules that will mean in 2025 we have to sit it there (actually less as the new rules cover all expenses less player sales)

    We are ahead of the shock that a lot of clubs are going to have in a short space of time.

    That's why I whinge about the commercial side as in 2 years every single penny extra we can squeeze out of the off the field activities will directly affect our ability on the field and may save a player having to be sold to comply with the rules.
     
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    It looks weird when you see clubs like Cardiff well ahead. I do agree we hopefully have room to manouvre now and be a bit more ambitious for the right players. If we are as low as capology say we are doing a hell of a good job with it.
     
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    Cheers mate, appreciate that.
     
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    Even better deal for them then. Regardless of that i am entitled to my opinion and seeing my club scurrying round the bargain basement constantly to develop and then sell on players doesnt sit right with me. We have all the tools to be a Premiership team and i dont feel like the ambition is there from anyone involved with the finances of our club.
     
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    It’s what you consider the upside to be. Vardy wages wouldn’t have been huge. His value did increase massively and didn’t need to cash in. Shankland would probably be at his peak level in championship whereas Vardy got England caps. All comes back to what you assess the peak potential of the player to be. Vardy had work ethic, bags of pace and could finish fitting into their style of play and premiership potential.
     
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    Its certainly a long term strategy from the club, pretty much every team that has been promoted from the championship has "gambled" and spent money to achieve it.

    Look at Ipswich, they are spending way beyond their means, but their owners have spent since they took over.

    I'd like to see us have a bit of flexibility in the way we are working, but you cant deny results so far have been very impressive, but possibly could prevent that final step
     
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    He also spoke English, had first team experience playing 3pm on a Sat and was mid 20s, they took a gamble and it paid off for them.
    We currently have 2 strikers that came from a B team and 1 from an U23 team
     
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    Look at Man Utd dealings with lots of players bought in mid to late 20s or even early 30s. No wonder Jim Ratcliffe is bemoaning their strategy and hundreds of millions wasted.
     
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    I know it’s frustrating but I’m happy to wait for finances to build and become stronger in the market over time. Last thing I want to see is seen as willing to spend our way up and be exploited by other clubs again.
     
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    Man Utd are an absolute shambles of a club.
    I have no issue with us bringing kids in but i also think we need to spend cash and have a mix of youth and experience within our squad. Our stratergy is like how a small club operates to stay afloat.
    Our fanbase is ridiculous, we need to be shown from our owners that they share our ambition
     
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  13. Sour Patch

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    So you applaud Leicester for getting a good deal but then a sentence later complain about us looking for good deals?

    The 'ambition' from the club since this regime came in has took us from MID TABLE League One to a promotion contender in the Championship in 3 years. There is no need at all to spend money WE DO NOT HAVE chasing a quick promotion when it could so easily backfire and the consequences of that are astronomical.
     
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    Im praising Leicester for paying 1m for an English player who was in his mid 20s from League 2 instead of B team foreign players.

    Our current strategy is 4 strikers and zero goals between them going into the new year. If that makes you feel happy then crack on mate
     
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    Our current strategy has us in contention for promotion with an incredibly exciting team with financial scope to improve because we haven't spent stupid money on players with no resale value.

    If you want to continue slagging the club off over things you do not understand simply because they don't want to put the club in financial danger then crack on 'mate'.
     
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    We do and with a little bit of ambition and investment we could be back where we belong, we have everything in place now to get promoted we just need that final push of investment and ambition.

    Im talking on a forum about my club mate, im entitled to my opinion without people like you accusing me of slagging the club off ffs. Personally i feel like i praise the club more than being negative but we come on here to express our feelings.
    Posters like you are a fecking nightmare that instantly think someones slagging the club off. I love Sunderland as much as anyone but if i feel uncomfortable about something ill share it on here because at the end of the day its a FORUM, and thats what we use them for is it not?
     
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  17. Sour Patch

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    But your 'feelings' towards the financial situation are unsubstantiated, factually incorrect and are incredibly misleading.
     
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    It's an interesting dilemma isn't it, we aren't a million miles away from a team that would be right up there, but we do appear fixed onto a rigid model.

    Any suggestion of wanting to gamble a bit is met with cries of wanting someone to bankroll the club and risk administration. When there is a middle ground of calculated risk to get the missing pieces of the jigsaw
     
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    TBF with regards the Vardy argument, Leicester were not over reliant on him scoring, they had about 12 forwards on the books, Beckford , Nugent, Kane, Chris Wood, Waghorn to name but a few. We need someone who will score goals from the off, I guess that makes their gamble a little bit easier
     
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  20. Teessidemackem

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    Misleading in what way? Im open to ears mate im not sat here telling everyone on here i am right and i know everything, all i am doing is sharing my feelings on a forum amongst other Sunderland fans
     
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