Out of depth managers don’t have teams 6th at Christmas. I have a feeling you don’t like him for another reason.
The owner says different. And there's 6 parachute clubs with significantly greater wage bills for starters.
He's overachieving, but simultaneously I think we could be higher in the table, so i do understand the frustrations at times. We've had some points go our way but I think we've let more points slip than we've gained unexpectedly over the course of the season so far, which is something they'll obviously be working on. Off the top of my head we've only been 'soundly' beaten twice this season. Other points we've dropped have been due to bad luck, bad decisions or costly errors, but this is the whole consistency argument in a nutshell. The very best capitalise more frequently and make less mistakes. We're not at that level yet but we're not far off.
Good post. The truth of the matter is no-one truly knows what the Owners aspirations are for this season? He's said on occasion,top 10,top 6,top 2, though I suspect he'd be reasonably satisfied with a top 10 place and give it another push and cash injection next season? Budget wise,same again,no-one on here knows what our wage bill is but it's fair to say that it's probably crept up with the recruitment of Philogene,Delap and Connolly?.Have the Owners expectations changed through that extra outgoing,same again,guessing game. One thing that is fairly obvious(and it's touched on in the above post),is that without some of the schoolboy errors that have occurred throughout the season so far...We'd be even higher up the table(last-nights turnaround would confirm that)!! That's not entirely down to Rosenior,it's mainly down to silly mistakes in defence and between the sticks,2 or 3 decent recruits could well see us improve again and become serious contenders for a top 6 spot. The only sure thing that anyone can say without fear of contradiction,is that half a season has passed and the crucial half is yet to be played out..I'm sure we're all looking forward to that? Belt up tight,the rollercoaster ride is about to commence!!! Merry X.mas fellow Tigers....
Scroll to 3rd november. Click play. Should clarify any ambiguity. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-1904-club-a-hull-city-podcast/id1310519331 As should this.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0h0b9dg?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile (6m 30s "all I want at the moment, is improvement, improvement, improvement")
That's just not true. He often says how they need to learn quickly, cut out mistakes, that they're doing things that he's not instructing them to do, inferring blame, etc. Rarely, but occasionally, does he take the blame.
Some of the dropped points are individual errors, absolutely. Previously when this was happening a lot more often, this was due to adapting to the style of play (Ingram last night is the prime example), but most of the team are doing it really well now. It helps that we've added some width to the squad and some directness to the play. When we persisted with slow build up and short passes strictly, we were mid table quality and picking up draw after draw. We're beyond that now. Ipswich was a big learning leap for us this season. Sometimes our sub decisions are absolutely perfect, other times they end up weakening us too much, but we're still building a squad to challenge at the top. Sometimes we leave players on the field who are clearly gassing and we take off the lads looking most likely to make something happen. Obviously hindsight is wonderful but the moment Ingram came on we should have compensated for it by stopping the build up from the back mentality and offering him constant wide and/or long passes to opt for. I imagine that shocking pass proved to Rosenior that Ingram needs moving on unfortunately. Criticism solely depends on whether you chalk these instances up to individual errors, or if there's numerous of them, do you point the finger at the fella that brought the player in?
Would that be Acun, Tan, Beri, Darno or Liam? Recruitment under a 'head coach' structure is a collective decision and is becoming the norm these days. The coach's job is to get the best out of the squad, but he doesn't sign the players.
He's frequently referenced a 'no blame cluture' towards the players and said numerous times 'I take the blame because I'm asking them to do it'. Do you actually listen to the full length interviews or just read the edited soundbites? If he was hanging the players out to dry as you're implying, I don't think we'd see the interactions between manager and players that we do. The fact they're running through brick walls for him is self evident in the number of times we've come back after going down first.
Well by going on what you say then, LR isn't getting the best out the squad as the same mistakes happen time and time again
Agree, he has / does say those things. He also says things like I posted too. Contradictory isn't it. Bit like him having a go at refs too after what he says. I do listen. Do you?
I'd have thought you as well as anyone would know that you don't just throw a bunch of new players at a pre-existing squad and expect them to hit full potential in 3 months. It can sometimes take years to build a team. For where we are in the development of the squad, he's doing about as well as can be rationally expected.
If you are going to be highlighting his inexperience, it probably is in how he's dealing with the officials. I'd say that was legit given he's been banned twice in half a season.
Some players never learn and ultimately he moved on , we have a couple who could’ve in that group maybe but are here out of necessity at the moment .
It's not contradictory if you understand nuance. He'll criticise as a collective but won't dig out individuals. He's very consistent in doing so, and the players are sweating blood for him, which they wouldn't be if he was digging them out.
Yes it can, but I also know if the same mistakes happen time after time, then it's no longer a mistake, it's a habit and at that point it's either the player(s) isn't good enough to stop the mistakes or the coach/manager isn't good enough to coach the mistakes out the player. I know you aren't a fan of any kind of critique or questioning, but the fact is the same mistakes are happening time after time. So what do you think the reason is?
I think it's individual errors, which happens at all clubs and to all players at some time or another. If you don't have anything better to replace them with then you gradually replace them as budget allows, but individual errors are ultimately down to the limitations of the individual. Some players can be coached out of it, some cant, but even those who can it's as a result of a process and takes time. Often years. I have no issue with critique as long as it's well founded. And of course there are things to improve. Honestly, I think we have one or two who are 'confidence' players. One good game can lead to another but by the same token if that doubt sets in then one mistake can lead to another also. At that point you have to consider taking that player out of the firing line but in the case of Allsop - the most recent repeat culprit than I think the decision is now out of his hands anyway due to injury.
It does happen at all clubs, but ours are the same mistake/type of mistake over and over. It needs to change if we ever want to compete. So far LR isn't stopping it, I genuinely believe a more experienced coach would have changed it/stopped it after half a season and I also think in 4/5 seasons a more experienced LR changes it a lot quicker as well. hence why I said I think his inexperience will cost us this season.
I was responding to a comment that he always protects the players. He doesn't. Like you say, he criticises collectively.
