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Off Topic Matthew Perry

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  1. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Most are a parcel of s hite now.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I may be a cynic but I really don't buy this routine from all celebrities, it all looks fake and contrived to me.

    Of course Matthew Perry gave to charity as do many stars with time and money on their hands, when you're raking £1m an episode it's not exactly crippling or exhausting tbh.

    What's hypocritical is when people like Perry, Gascoigne, Merson, etc, earn money taking about their addictions in books, chat shows, talk-ins, etc. Even more so when they laugh it up and make it sound ever so cool and 'boys will be boys' with anecdotes about what massive amounts they managed to get down their throats or up their nose.

    There comes a time when, despite all the advantages they have over normal addicts, they carry on and lose my sympathy. Perry is obviously an intelligent educated man with a huge network of support, access to the best treatment and rehab yet still chooses to relapse and get wasted.

    Some would argue they have absolutely no choice which is their guess and fair enough.
     
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    "Chooses"

    <doh>
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    That's my opinion based on guesswork and experience as is yours, neither of us know him ...

    ... unless you're saying that everyone who chooses to get pissed, or take drugs, must be uncontrollably addicted for life.

    Another guess is that, despite his claim to have stopped getting wasted, it was the cause of his death.
     
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  5. TopCat.

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    Read his book then come back with an opinion
     
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    Is it any different to what he's said on chat shows, in interviews, etc, I doubt it ...

    ... how much is true and how much is it there to sell books.

    He claims he's spent $10m on treatment, had 15 stays in rehab, or whatever, and can list how many bottles of vodka he drank every day, how much coke he sniffed, how many tablets.

    It's truly remarkable just how precise he can be tbh ...

    ... I can sometimes forget where I live after a few pints and a glass of rum <laugh>
     
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  7. TopCat.

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    Yeah. It's a lot, lot different and more in depth.

    Fame and fortune does not protect you from weakness, illness and addiction. You could argue that his parents begging the doctor to sedate him when he was 1 month old (because he wouldn't sleep) started him on the journey to addiction.

    Anyway, it's all about opinions but I'd certainly advise anyone to read his book before judging
     
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    See, this is the kind of thing that makes me suspicious and cynical.

    " ... his parents begging the doctor to sedate him when he was 1 month old (because he wouldn't sleep) started him on the journey to addiction."


    Where did this info come from, his parents certainly wouldn't drop themselves in it and the doctor couldn't. We used to 'sedate' our kids with Calpol, loads of people do, breast milk worked but that wasn't my department <laugh>

    It always seems like it's everyone else's fault and the poor 'victim' has absolutely no choice or control ...

    ... just like it's Five Bellies and Danny Baker to blame for Paul Gascoigne, not just the drink & drugs either, they egged him on to beat his wife up.

    I'm sorry but sometimes these people are just, by the law of averages, self indulgent people who can afford endless drink, drugs and rehab. And when it all goes wrong they think they can have a laugh and joke with the doctors who'll fix them up again ... George Best is a typical example.

    They can remain highly paid, while they're wasted, so the consequences are minimal ...

    ... if that fails they'll write books and go on chat shows to rake the money in by selling their version of the truth.

    I've seen addicts who've had to stop because they have nothing left to sell and simply can't afford their fix. But people like Perry, Gascoigne and Best will always have the means to indulge and a queue of well meaning, but misguided imo, people to excuse them and tell them how brave they are.

    Sets a bad example imo.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    Ketamine related.

    Who'd have thought that horse tranquiliser would be so bad for you?
     
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    Ketamine, just say neigh
     
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    Ket and a hot tub really shouldn't be in the same sentence !
     
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    Tried it once. Did not care for it. Never tried it again. A good decision, well made.
     
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    I’m a bit confused some may say that’s easy for me
    However
    Did he accedently take ketamine and die
    Or did take ketamine and accedently die
    Two different meanings ??????
     
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    I'm 100% sure but I don't think you can accidently take a horse tranquilliser

    Edit unless he had a poorly horse in his house
     
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    He was being treated with ketamine for depression, however the traces found in his body do not match his treatment programme. It sounds as though he had slipped and taken some off-prescription and that has contributed to his death. It's possible he's had some sort of arrest/seizure, lost consciousness and drowned. That is what I'm trying to surmise from the various reports. Maybe he hadn't relapsed, but he damage had already been down through years of abuse. The autopsy said he had coronary artery disease, so it's entirely possible it was a heart attack.

    Whatever the cause, and however people feel that fame/fortune somehow makes you immune to addiction, it's all very, very sad
     
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    Well they said he was stable for a while.
     
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  18. Vincemac

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    Yeah so how did he accedently die
    If you take something that could kill you
    cheers mate very sad indeed
     
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    There's neigh need for that kind of joke mate.
     
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  20. Nig

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    I see some are horsing around with the jokes
     
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