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Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by glazerfodder, Dec 13, 2023.

  1. glazerfodder

    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    Martial - Sell
    Rashford - Sell
    Casemiro - Sell
    Amrabat - Don´t make loan permanent
    VDB - Sell
    Sancho - Sell
    Greenwood - Sell

    Martial and Amrabat departing wouldn't create revenue but the other five certainly should, particularly Rashford and Greenwood. I thought long and hard about including Bruno in the list but in the end, he is a valuable member of the squad - for now.
     
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  2. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Onana sell
    Dalot sell
    Lindelof sell
    Bruno sell
    Rashford sell
    Martial sell
    Sancho sell
    VDB sell
    Greenwood sell
    Hannibal sell
    McTominay sell
    Amrabat don't make permanent
    Reguillon return to Spuds in a bucket

    That's the bare minimum by the way.
     
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  3. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Keeping Evans?
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton
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    Onana - Keep
    Dalot - pay someone to take away
    Lindelof - sell
    Rashford - sack
    Martial - sack
    Sancho - sack
    VDB - sell
    Greenwood - sell
    Hannibal - sell
    McTominay - sell
    Varane - sell
    Amrabat - I personally would keep
    Reguillon - return to Spuds
    Eriksen - sell/retire


    I'm also keeping the following of the current **** show;

    Hojlund
    Casemiro
    Shaw
    Mount
    Fernandes
    Antony
    Garnacho
    AWB
    Martinez
    Maguire
    Mainoo
     
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  5. cytrax

    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    I find these arguments over players rather lazy.

    We are obsessing over who should go and stay again when there is no evidence that the system is set up to facilitate success. If you bin the players, we suggest that bringing in new ones to replace them is the answer. We have been doing that to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds. It has failed over and over again. Therefore, concluding that the problem has very little to do with the collective players makes sense.

    There is not a single combination of the first eleven in the world that will succeed under this current system.
     
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    He's likely to come to the end of his playing career soon enough. He's a decent enough squad player for now.

    Our main CB pairing should be Maguire and Martinez PLUS one other to bring in.
     
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  7. Treble

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    All the ones I've listed are below the level required.

    I've watched them enough to know this now. Yesterday confirmed it. They just cannot perform (not one of them) on a par with any of the top 4 sides.
     
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    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    I mistakenly omitted Malacia - he's toast too, so sell him. With any luck we should generate somewhere between 48p and £75m for that bunch.
     
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    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    Do we really think that selling those players and bringing in new ones is the answer to the problem? Surely it can’t be as simple as swap and replace
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    It's never going to happen is it mate.

    But to answer the question, it's not the complete answer, we also need a director of football who knows what he's doing and can target and buy the players we need.

    Otherwise you replace mediocrity and ****e with more mediocrity and ****e. Which funnily enough is what we've been doing under the current imbecile in charge of recruitment and the fckwit before him.
     
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    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    We can't keep buying Dutch players that ETH coached, knew, played cards with, is related to etc etc. No other ****ing major club operates that way. I'm sure he had the best interests of the club at heart, but the likes of Malacia, Antony and RVB don't do well when taken from their small pond and dropped into the PL. Historically a few did well, but the standard in Holland has fallen way behind - and it shows. The manager can't be the only person who dictates transfers, we need a proven DoF and a few billion to puit things right.
     
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  12. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Ratcliff is supposed to be bringing in a new DoF when he takes over (hurrah), the problem with that is for the last two months (realistically 10 weeks) i have been reading on a consistent basis that the deal will be concluded sometime around the middle of next week. That's 10 times now it has been expected to be concluded and as far as i know we are no nearer the end.
     
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    Does this period coincide with any expected dividend payouts?
     
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    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Maybe.
    The way i see it is as a group the Glazers can't agree on selling the club. Joel and Avram want a big payout but the other four want to keep a regular income to fund their lifestyle without being eaten into as a single payment would be.
     
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  15. cytrax

    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    I don’t see how we can be so dismissive of everyone but the manager. Everyone is a fkwit but the guy that actually puts the team out, dictates the style of play, and prepares the expensive internationals is somehow absolved of the blame.

    What is the point of this so called targeting of players that will fit when the system is rotten? We have scored 18 goals in 16 games - 15th across in number of goals out of the 20 teams with 1 goal more than Luton ffs! WTF has the Director of fkin football got to do with that?

    I dare say Ole would be top of the league with this team. I’m not even being funny.
     
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    Diego Lone Ranger

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    How can you say the system is rotten if we don't have the players that fit it?
    I have seen the system work very well for short periods in many games, the problems start when players lose the rythm or we lose a goal and fall apart. This is a player fault not systemic.
     
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    No he wouldn't.

    I agree though, the manager bears some responsibility. Why do I think this? Because I see what Iraola is doing with the players he has. I see what Unai is doing with the players he has. I can even see what Moyes and Howe are doing with theirs.
     
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  18. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Do you think it's a case of the manager doesn't suit the players or the players don't suit the system?

    I ask this because there have been many times when things have "clicked" for periods in games and we have looked very good.
    Unfortunately one small setback (a goal against) seems to destroy everything that went before and we fall apart.
    For me that's player mentality plus the lack of managerial knowhow to change said mentality.
    Not sure where that leaves us.
     
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    It's hard to tell tbh. I think the biggest indicator is against the top sides or those that are very well organised and able to pressurise us. The fact that in those games in particular our players look like they've never played together is partly down to the manager. There doesn't seem to be any game plan at times. At the same time I think that many of our players are mentally weak, or have low expectations which also makes them mentally weak, and a lot of our squad lack technical ability.

    Right now I really wouldn't care if we got rid of Bruno. He isn't the player he was in his first 18 months and I just don't see him being that good again. Would he get into any United midfield from 1994 up to 2010? Not for me.

    In fact how many of the current squad would get into any of those sides in their respective position. A big fat 0. Actually Shaw instead of that period with Heinze before Evra arrived, that's it.

    So when I list about 15 players I'd get rid of, I have no problems doing so. They're not good enough, and somewhere along the way we've convinced ourselves they are.
     
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  20. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    You've hit the nail with Bruno there, he's supposed to be the captain ffs and is the first to wave his arms and drop his head.

    I often go back to Fergie day's but not for Fergie for his players.
    We had a team of captains, every one of them from Schmiks forward would **** any other player in the team that ****ed up or was'nt doing his job and quite rightly so.
    Name me one that you saw shake his head or throw his arms up and just carry on without bollocking the player that ****ed up.
     
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