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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Smug in Boots, Aug 30, 2022.

  1. John 11:35

    John 11:35 Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  2. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

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    Just watched this on YT. Quite damning tbh. Really good watch.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    There's no guarantees with doing that either and we'd just become another Hull, Preston or Blackburn imo.

    No matter how you dress is up it just boils down to 'pumping in loads of money'.

    I'd rather do things the way we're doing in all honesty ...

    ... I've rarely had so many players in the squad that I like and have rarely seen such good football.

    Like or Hate KS and KLD, as some clearly do, you can't say it's dull or boring.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Speakman knows all about stats and ours, as the video shows, aren't good enough.

    Clarke and Roberts need to be told that cutting in and only passing the ball when the area is absolutely packed has to stop.

    It's been killing me for weeks watching Clarke get to the by-line and slinging the ball in which almost always hits the first man.

    There's very little wrong with this team/squad ... just needs a manager with an open mind and courage.
     
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  5. Mackem-Tiz

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    That is a great post Smug and it took me by surprise tbh.
    I agree totally. By the time the wingers get the ball in to the area it's crowded.
    The key words for me that I hope and pray the new coach will address is speed in transition.
     
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  6. master-simpson

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    You singing a different song now mate?

    Bart
     
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  7. Chunksafc

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    Our stats are very good. Dodds said that in his press conference today.

    The ones we are struggling with is chance conversion and shots on target
     
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  8. Downeys Loup

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    It isn’t as if the much vaunted model is rocket science. As far as in see it is simply
    1. Only pay fees for players that will go up in value and wherever possible develop players through the academy. This stops the club pissing away money and has the added benefit of breaking ing agents hearts.
    2. Have a fixed style of playing despite manager so never have to do expensive squad reconstructions.
    3. Play an exciting style of football that fans enjoy.
    4. Recruit well across players, coaching staff, scouting. Have clear performance standards, support people to achieve them and move on those who don’t meet them.

    For me nearly all the complaints that come up about the model are actually complaining about the how it is executed.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    Not at all ...

    ... not everything in life is black and white.

    I don't have heroes, I'm not naive, and I can appreciate the faults of everyone at the club while supporting them 100%.

    This isn't the first time I've made that point about our wingers.
     
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  10. Mackem-Tiz

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    But most of our shots are from outside the box unless I've got it all wrong.
    The bottom line is that we are seemingly not playing a system that gets the best out of a number 9 which is what someone on here has been mentioning alot and I agree with.
    We got totally used to playing without a striker last season and now we are struggling to do that...imo
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    A) Sustainable club

    B) Unsustainable club

    After seeing us under Short I think I'll go for A
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    My Sunday League manager had a clear message for the strikers, 'If you can't score, don't shoot - if you can, shoot'.

    Far too often we attempt shots that clearly can't get through ...

    ... it looks good but doesn't often work.
     
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  13. DH4

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    The wingers do what they do because they have been playing so long without an obvious "target" man that they want to walk the ball into the net. Simple as
     
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  14. Chunksafc

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    Even dodds today said there wasn't a lot wrong according to the stats and data, but its clear as day our shot conversion isn't great.

    As I've said before we look so much better at the faster pace we can play at amd we still do in patches.

    Take the first 20 minutes at Millwall, we stretched them with long diagonals and had them on the ropes. We didn't score so confidence goes down, players start playing the easy ball and our overall pace drops.

    If we had scored in that first 20 minutes, I'd suggest we would have gone on to easily win.
     
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  15. master-simpson

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    Fair enough. But right up to TMs sacking, myself and others were taking pelters for saying exactly that.

    All because it a reason for a change of 1st team coach. TM watched the same games, but never changed the strategy,

    O&U now, whoever gets the job (provided a suitable appointment is made)

    Bart
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I don't give anyone pelters for voicing their opinion ...

    ... running down the club is a different matter, in that case I'm totally unreasonable <laugh>
     
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    Aye and TM did feck all to sort it. Only laying blame to the strikers, sapping any confidence they had.

    Bart
     
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  18. FellTop

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    I am not even really sure we have a model? It is just modern lingo really for wanting to be based around certain things. A plan? An idea?

    What annoys me is when folk talk about wanting to be progressive, as if that is the exlcusive domain of the young, or of data analysts etc. Or as if clubs in the past never wanted to be that way. It really is nonsense in my opinion. Football, for as long as I can recall, has had managers that pushed themselves. Clubs have always looked to evolve and be smart in their time. We just didnt use language like model, because we had a degree of flexibility about our thinking. A bit more freedom to be human beings with human skills if you like.

    The most innovative club in my lifetime were Liverpool and the bootroom. None of the modern coaches are yet to replicate what I saw from them. They were purists, who had a deep understanding the game and players and talent. I am not sure many modern coaches do have the same level of knowledge, it is about numbers now with people giving you endless reports on what will work and what to do. I appreciate it is the modern world, but let me ask a question. Would Peps Citt beat Paisleys Liverpool? Now I am huge Pep fan, he may just be the last great coach, who has a deep understanding of the game, players and talent. But the army of advisors around him is madenning. I know a coach who works there, and he says it is a cast of thousands.

    Point is, which I have almost forgotten, is there arr still people who understand footballers, can spot natural talent, can watch a game and see the tweaks. All without computer generated guidance, or a rigid framework to work in. Football is art, not science, for me. But I am an old fart whose days are numbered in this modern game that is emerging so you can ignore my rambling. Off to watch Brazil 82 and Tele Santana - won nowt, but man it was joyous.
     
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  19. Mackem-Tiz

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    Well I for one was one of the few that was pleased TM was sacked. Nobody likes to see it but we were clearly drifting (at best) and he would have been gone in the summer if not for the backlash to the rumours from the supporters.
    I think he was only meant to steady the ship and no one envisaged the play offs etc. I have to admit...we played some quality stuff... brilliant in fact.
    But to me the board were just waiting for a bad run of results to pull the trigger.
     
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  20. DH4

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    Let's see if Dodds and co can implement this blindingly obvious solution with our goal machine forwards :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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