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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ... Forum Moderator

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    I can find it in my heart to sympathise with any human being suffering from barbaric acts inflicted by other human beings - can you? Your moral high ground is very selective.

    Rape is terrible - but genocide edges it.
     
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  2. FosseFilberto

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    Israeli Settler Violence in the West Bank - the UN really has to take a much firmer stance.

    Palestinian villages bulldozed

    Palestinian farmers not allowed to harvest their olive crops because they might be 'gathering information useful to Hamas' <doh> ... so the olives are rotting on the trees and the farmers have no income.

    As to the information they could 'gather' - about their own land? - where no Israeli settlers should be in the first place?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920
     
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  3. Citizen Kane.

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    So you deny the rape, mutilation and torture of women and young girls by Hamas based on eye witness accounts ans firsthand evidence? Because that's what we're talking about, not tunnels or weapons in a hospital. Enough whatabouttery. That's Fosse's suit and it's very tired.

    Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility that Hamas has done things that are simply unspeakable? Like Fosse, if the shoe was on the other foot and the accusations were coming from the Hamas Ministry of Health, you'd be on here writing essays within moments.

    It wouldn't amaze me to learn that the IDF is tailoring certain footage and I personally don't trust their PR for a moment, which is why I've said since day one that we need to wait until an independent adjudicator has conducted a full and impartial investigation of the situation in Gaza. I don't trust Hamas claims either. If those findings don't support the IDF's claims, I would then support charges of war crimes against the top brass.

    It concerns me that so many posters see this as a zero sum game, where everything one side does is either entirely justified or entirely wrong. The truth is, both sides are severely messed up, both sides have gone way beyond the realm of acceptable actions on more than one occasion, and both need to be removed if there is to be a lasting peace. I've said this since day one.
     
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  4. Citizen Kane.

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    Jesus wept. This isn't a zero sum game. It isn't one or the other - both can be condemned as wrong. You cannot bring yourself to do so, can you? Your first response - as always - is to brush one side under the carpet and distract, divert and justify.

    I'm portrayed here as some biased Zionist sycophant but if you actually followed my viewpoints, all of which are recorded on this thread, you'll see that I have condemned:

    Settlement expansion
    Settler violence and extremism
    Netanyahu individually
    The current Israeli govt
    Israel's decision to cut off water and electricity

    Israel's military strategy in the Gaza strip, which I see as "pending" a full investigation, as I most recently wrote just above. I don't trust Hamas' official figures and I know you disagree on that point quite strongly but I won't shift my opinion on that. If an investigation concludes that collateral damage to civilians etc was disproportionate relative to the damage done to Hamas and it's allies' military infrastructure, I will join you and others in condemning Israel's response and it will only reinforce my already strongly held belief that Netanyahu is one of the biggest obstacles to peace in the region.

    So there you go, this "Zionist shill" happily condemns 5 major points in Israeli policy and will gladly condemn a 6th if and when the facts are established to support this.

    Compare this to the 0 things you've ever condemned on the 'other side' and I think we can all see that your moral high ground isn't just selective, it is totally non existent.
     
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  5. FosseFilberto

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    Nope - I'm hugely sceptical of any 'official information' from 'Governmental sources' when it comes to matters of life and death because there will almost always be an element of spin and an ulterior motive - that applies to all with no exclusions ...

    I do, however, have a lot of faith in communications by the WHO, Red Cross UNICEF etc ... and no reasons for doubting the information they give.
     
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  6. Citizen Kane.

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    That just isn't true and isn't at all reflected in your posts to date. I haven't once seen a shred of healthy scepticism from you unless it is pointed in Israel's direction. Not even close.

    The organisations you've listed are far too small in their scale of operation on the ground to have access to the full picture or situation. So they are parroting figures from what the media calls the 'Hamas run Ministry of Health', and so do you. Within seconds of those numbers being published.
     
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    I have never, ever, sought to justify acts of barbarism ...

    ... and just who are the 'we' that you are identifying with? - those that consider anything that this Israeli regime does is justified if the end game of no Palestinians in Gaza (or the West Bank) is achieved?
     
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  8. Citizen Kane.

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    Taking a break from this forum for a bit.

    Enjoy your echo-chamber lads.

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  9. FosseFilberto

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    Perhaps you need to go back and read them more carefully - and the WHO has actually stated that it has no grounds for doubting the 'Hamas run Health Ministry' numbers, or lists of casualties - and that they are likely to be quite a bit understated, given the devastation and bodies lying unrecovered beneath the rubble - but all you can see is the word 'Hamas' before 'Health Ministry' and therefore dismiss everything else - including the reality of thousands of dead including totally unacceptable numbers of children and women in this 'war'.
     
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  10. Welshie

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    Tbf, the echo chamber is only 3 posters and two of them backed down as soon as Saf turned up
     
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  12. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Why? <laugh>

    It's treble, pinkie and Fosse

    Treble is still here

    Pinkie is the Ghost of Gaza past

    Fosse apart from being a globe trotting, million dollar making bullshit artist, is also the official spokesman of the Hamas health ministry
     
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    So the same as what happened before 9/11 attack <laugh>

    false flag Israel killed thy own too justify what came after….

    problem
    Reaction
    Solution

    every fking time it’s the same pattern

     
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    Your fake tears have no effect on me Zionist kane dude I’m used too the official narrative being lies and deception

    maybe you wanna think again about what where and when them photos you saw where taken…..unless you wanna clear that up by showing us what you seen as fact so we can decide
     
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  16. FosseFilberto

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    You've left yourself out ...

    'Mask slipping apologist for Israeli state terrorism and genocide ...'
     
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    Gowon fosse

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    no takers for the trading en

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  20. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    If that was true, that wouldn't be part of your echo chamber and I wouldn't need to include myself <laugh>

    Nice try tho old boy

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