alonso -- one of the drives of the season ?

QUESTION - alonso -- one of the drives of the season ?

ANSWER - No

The season is not yet over. Perhaps some member could wait until the close of the season and then create a non prejudiced article to invite our views.

In my opinion Alonso's performance was not even the drive of the race. Hamilton and Alonso did exactly what was expected of them. Button on the other hand at least deserves a mention in despatches for struggling with his KERS problem.

The article comments that Alonso overtook Button because Button was “half asleep”. That sort of viewpoint hardly paints Alonso's performance in a favourable light. I would expect any driver to pass someone in front that was “half asleep”.

As far as the issue of when Button's KERS failed I doubt if it was on lap 12. The TV coverage broadcasts team radio on a delayed basis. How much delay is unknown to me. When the leader was on lap 13 the broadcast from Button was “it is still not working”. Brundle and Coulthard explained in great detail the steps that a driver would have to take in handling a KERS failure and attempting to re-boot the system. So I think the failure happened before lap 12.

Please do not repost the link quoting Button. I have read it thank you very much. Public comments about car failures should be taken with a small pillar of salt by people who follow F1. Red Bulls secrecy surrounding the tyre failure is an example.

Members who wish to check and download lap times regarding relative performance should visit

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Pages/f1-media-home.aspx

Click on

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Pages/timing.aspx

Race Lap analysis

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/abd-race-analysis.pdf

Race History chart

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/abd-race-history.pdf

But do so in the next few days because the information is removed just before the start of the next race event.

 

what has KW got to do with anything he was never any good to begin with --- as i said i dont make me show you the link from massa himself , strait from the horses mouth as it were --- no matter lets not even bother going there -,

maybe i am missing something here but on the odd occasion massa can match alonso it would seem he is not traumatised from his accident of 2 yrs ago and when he cant he is somehow traumatised ,
you cant it have both ways either is permantly traumatised or he is not -

and yes i personally believe the current alonso is " stunningly good " hence why massa cant match him , there must be a reason why his fellow drivers and team principles generally regard him as the most complete driver on the grid during 2010 --

 

Same old Xig.

I will not explain and defend every post to you becuase of your selective ignorance of events that do not agree with your viewpoint.

If it makes you feel good, post up the same old **** links you always do. You started off here seemingly being a good poster, wow, weren't we all wrong.

Same old Xig, same old ****.

Good night to you.

 

we are back to button again -- button himself (notice the significance of the word himself )has said his kers problem did not manifest until lap 12 ( and yes i can dig up the link if i have to )

button in probally the fastest car on the track in a mclaren that was very quick at abu dhabi hardly covered himself in glory in the first 12 laps when he did have a healthy car did he bud --

what else can i say --

 

now now saint dont start having a hissy fit , i am trying my best to be civil with you at least show me the same respect even if you are having a drink ( which i suspect you are )-

you have to be mature enough to accept that not all of us on here are going to agree all the time , and sometimes i am not going to agree with you or your patriotic views on the english drivers and armed with a certain amount of related knowledge am able to argue the fact if i dont agree with you or anybody else on here about a specific subject ,

just because you cant get me to agree on certain specific matters with you at least try and act like an adult and accept the fact with a little bit of dignity --

 

The KERS failure obviously occurred before lap 12 and I have made the reasons for my viewpoint on the matter very clear. I have also posted links to underlying data that any member on this forum can investigate and draw their own conclusions.

I think the post made by allsaintschris is valid.

If Vettel had completed the race then you would not have rated Alonso at all. Perhaps it might be better for you to wait until the end of the season and then when asked to do so you can inform us of what in your opinion have been the drives of the season.

 

1. All I am drinking this evening is Pomegranate juice. And very sweet and refreshing it is too.
2. Yes, we ALL have to be mature enough to accept that we are not going to always agree
3. Yes, we should ALL act like adults.
4. Dignity. Does that include condescending and patronising other posters who don't agree with you?

When you play by your own rule card then so will others.

But we have already seen that you can't. The 'greatest lap' thread you posted, with your rules and criteria, were broken more times by yourself than anyone else!

 

what can i say RI --- button himself has said the KERS failure happened on lap 12 , who are we to doubt the word of the driver who was driving the car ,

i am afraid i dont dont do hyperthetical bud -- vettel did not finish the race so i can only judge on what i actually watched from the drivers that did compete and finish --

 

why are you bothering with this kind of rubbish saint -- it started off as a harmless little disagreement some time this afternoon and when you cant get me to agree with you , you start to chuck your dummy out because i dont agree with you -,

dear dear me saint - take a chill pill or something bud , life is to short to get wound up on a insignificant chat forum because other people dont agree with you --

hope you enjoy your pomegranate juice , speaking as something of a clever dick where vitamins and minerals are concerned it is very good for you if it is the real thing and not just the concentrate --
--- puts a bit of lead in you pencil amongst other things --

 

Martial Artist response is a perfect example of his lack of credibility regarding F1.

We have three moderators that pick and choose which comments are acceptable according to their rank in their hierarchy.

Martial is promoted to "senior" therefore he can insult members and escape punishment?

What is going on here. I thought that the forum organisers were trying to set examples and create a place that people could express their views and not get bullied. Something is wrong here and it needs to be sorted.

 

I must say; there are some excellent contributions from RI here, although I have not yet had time to look at his links.

As stated previously - and although I regard it as trivial to the assessment of Button's drive - I have reasons to doubt his KERS problem began on lap 12, in spite of publicised comments. This is not to say I am pouring scorn on his words, for I believe him to be a man of considerable integrity and straight-forward honesty. I cannot provide a link to 'back-up' my suspicion for the benefit of the members of this forum, since it is, in part, the consequence of conversation. Thus, I claim no 'proof'.

As for behaving like adults: it is good to see that this ideal is being upheld so strongly by so many; regardless of being criticized as 'patriotic' whenever they happen to speak in defence of an English/British driver. Perhaps frequent regurgitation of this defenceless accusation is an example of 'adult' behaviour; but it would appear to be a rather cowardly accusation nonetheless, since it is made in the full knowledge that no worded argument can ever refute it. The authoring of such repeated accusation is clever. Indeed, so clever it may be truly out of the boundary which goes under the banner of childishness. But I would even expect most adolescents to be sufficiently sophisticated to see its lack of sophistication.

I hope that members will not mistake these words as a personal attack. In spite of the content of this thread, it is a general comment. I also hope that all members of this forum will not be quick to label my reaction as 'patriotic' if they should choose not to agree.

 

dear dear me RI -- what is up with people today , maybe they should learn the art of relaxation the same as i have and maybe they would learn how to debate without getting upset --,

exactly where have i insulted you on here today -- you replied to myself and my topic i did not twist your arm to do so , with an opinion i did not agree with concerning button and alonso ,

i then calmly and politely gave you my view on the subject matter of button and alonso which you obviously dont agree with but would seem to be at a loss at how to counter my view -

if you think that is somehow insulting you need a spell in the real world bud --

 

In spite of my compliment above, RI; I believe this comment of yours to be fundamentally flawed.
As far as I am aware, the trivial "rank" you refer to, has no influence upon moderation whatsoever, since I believe the label or title of 'Senior' is simply a reflection of how many posts a member has made in this forum.

 

so my use of the word patriotic now upsets you when i am having a little harmless banter with others on here ,repeat harmless banter ,
-- is that really the best you can do because i dont agree with you on various F1 related matters -


as for button -- you have seen the link where button himself says his KERS started to act up on lap 12 -- why would he lie about it -

 

Post twice more and you will be 'senior' too, it only takes 100 posts, of whatever quality!

 

Massa's accident doesn't explain the silly rookie errors he makes or the general inconsistent driving or the times when he suddenly starts matching Alonso.

Domenicali says Massa's problem is self-confidence - which is probably because Alonso is taking him to the cleaners.

 

I think it's a combination....He was in a pretty good spot at Ferrari prior to the accident. Returning from that accident was always going to be a bit of an effort, but his return was made even more difficult by the arrival of Alonso. If the team had remained unchanged then his return may have been a lot simpler, instead he returned to a team that Alonso was quickly beginning to make his own. I don't think he's gotten over either of these hurdles.

 

Your use of the word 'patriotic' does not upset me personally, Xig.

It is simply that you misuse it as a means of pouring scorn and belittling those you disagree with, whenever the disagreement is to do with a UK driver; so much that it is beginning to appear xenophobic. Meanwhile you hide behind a smokescreen which conceals your own nationality; thus depriving others of aiming similarly unjustified accusations at yourself. On the face of it, I'm sure you can see that this appears a little cowardly?
Don't worry, I'm not interested in your nationality (any more that you should assume mine - which, although it seems to matter so much to you - you can still only guess at). I treat people as individuals without a label unless a person chooses to wear such a label. As far as I'm concerned, we're all the same family and scrutinizing minor differences of location is as destructive as going to war over belief systems (commonly known as 'religion'), or hair colour, or the size of one's thumb.

As for the link: if it's the one you've been posting repeatedly, I've not once clicked on it. However, I am well aware of what Button is quoted as saying, shortly after the race. I will remind you that I am not suggesting Button has lied about it. In case you didn't take in my words properly (in spite of quoting them), I'll repeat the relevant bit for you here: "… This is not to say I am pouring scorn on his words, for I believe him to be a man of considerable integrity and straight-forward honesty."

Have you ever considered the possibility that when Button spoke about it, he was not aware of all relevant details?

I have also acknowledged that I have effectively repeated a rumour, albeit one I believe to have at least a little basis. I have also said that I may be wrong to believe what I've heard; after all, regardless of its source; it is only my opinion about a rumour. If you do not agree with it, I'm surprised you don't simply ignore it as trivial…

 

Well I actually do find your attitude insulting. I am also disappointed at the inconsistency of the attitude of the moderators towards your obvious attempts to drag the level of debate on this forum down to your level. Since BBC606 closed you have wandered the various F1 boards trying desperately to find a forum that is foolish enough to tolerate your childish intolerant nonsense.

Your faintly disguised chip on your shoulder regarding Lewis Hamilton has made you a laughing stock.

"little harmless banter" a phrase that you have used often to somehow minimise your insulting attitude to other people. A bit like Blatter expecting people to shake hands.

 

I must say, that would appear to be a very apt analogy.

P.S. RI; say something now if you want to change the trivial label under your name!
I've heard that 100 posts automatically makes one a 'Senior Member'. I believe the only idea behind it is to encourage people to be more active; and that there is no significance other than perceived status, should one wish to be concerned with it.