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Match Day Thread Plymouth Argyle FC v Sunderland AFC – Saturday 25th November 2023 - KO 15:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Nov 22, 2023.

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Your prediction:

Poll closed Nov 25, 2023.
  1. Home win

    6.3%
  2. Away win (safc)

    79.4%
  3. Draw

    14.3%
  1. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Research helps. Of the 19 strikers signed in the championship for money (ie not including free transfers or loans) 9 cost more than Rusyn. So nowhere near “one of the most expensive”. Making stuff up
     
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  2. marcusblackcat

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    And then I said “you answered with hindsight”. Which indicates after the result. And you still said yes. If I’d said “happier” then so be it, but it’s fairly obvious what I was getting at. And you avoided answering that question yet again!
     
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  3. Sour Patch

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    Coming from you? You're completely ignoring what he is saying and to accuse him of moving the goalposts is ironic considering you are doing exactly the same.
     
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  4. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Never moved the goalposts once. I asked happy with a 0-0. I accept that I should’ve been kire explicit, but I then qualified by stating “with hindsight”. Indicating I meant prior to know it the result. When I spelled it out completely, he did not answer. Where have I loved the goalposts? Obviously after the fact we’d all be happier with 0-0.
     
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  5. WorkyTicketFTM

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    “Making stuff up” lol back to bed mate. :emoticon-0127-lipss


    Birmingham - Stansfield - Loan
    Blackburn - Leonard - Academy
    Bristol City - Conway - academy
    Cardiff - Meite - free
    Coventry - Wright - £9m
    Huddersfield - Harratt - Academy
    Hull - Connolly - £1.3m
    Ipswich - Hirst - £1.2m
    Leeds - Piroe - £14m
    Leicester - Cannon - £8.8m
    Boro - Lathe - £5m
    Millwall - Nisbet - £2.3m
    Norwich - Hwang - loan
    Plymouth - Cundle - loan
    Preston - Keane - free
    QPR - dykes - £2m
    Rotherham - nonbe - £1.1m
    Sheff Wed - Smith - £120k
    Southampton - Armstrong - £10m
    Stoke - Mmaee - £5m
    Swansea - Yates - £2.6m
    Watford - Rajovic - £2m
    WBA - Thomas-Asante - £300k
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Would a young inexperienced foreign lad really come to the Championship and expect to be a regular starter ...

    ... if we actually told him he would then he's every reason to be upset.
     
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    We wont have told him that. I suspect the expectations set were to be gradually integrated into the first team over time but that if he came and set a bar higher than others he would get his chance. Sounds to me, based on Mowbrays commentary, it is more about his approach during a week that needs some attention. It shouldnt be difficult to remedy things like not being last onto the training pitch to be honest. I can tell you the one thing I hate as a coach is players late and me having to delay or them having to catch up. It is about respect for your peers at the end of the day.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    TBH I'm all for these players coming here with an attitude, Aouchiche clearly has and he's forcing hi way into the team.

    But they're all different and will need handling in various ways.

    We once had a sizeable mix of chickens, ducks and geese in spacious grounds complete with a lake, a pond and a stream.

    At night they had separate heated stables with fresh bedding, drinking water and feed.

    It was a little paradise and you'd think they'd all get on well ...

    ... but they all had their own different characters, friends/enemies and ways of doing things.

    We'd often have to separate some of them from others of their own kind but change back when things changed again.

    Dealing with 50 testosterone charged young men, from various nationalities, must be a real task.

    (Brought to you by Rambles R Us.)
     
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  10. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Not sure what you’re proving with that? Other than the fact that you don’t research well. No Ellis Simms or Ross Stewart on there? Both significantly more expensive than Rusyn. And, I I literally said in my post, “not including loans or free”. 19 strikers have had fees paid, he’s the 9th most expensive.
     
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  11. WorkyTicketFTM

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    Ross Stewart who hasn’t played a single game? I included Armstrong because he’s their starter and he’s more expensive? And I included Wright because he was more expensive than Simms.

    Not sure which 19 strikers you’re talking about here unless you’re talking transfers that have taken place over the last 10 years or something but of all the strikers starting in the championship currently Rusyn is give or take the 6-7th most expensive.
     
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  12. marcusblackcat

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    So you are literally moving the goalposts to suit your argument. You literally said one of the most expensive in the division did you not? And now you say you’re not including 2 players because one hasn’t played and the other wasn’t their team’s most expensive? Wow. You should be a politician! 19 strikers, according to transfer market, cost money. Those are the ones I included. Which I categorically stated previously. I didn’t include academy players, loans or free agents. He is half way on that list. Including the freebies etc, hes one of the most expensive, but so are ALL of the others who cost money as there are more loans, academy players and free transfers combined than there are players who cost money this season.
     
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  13. WorkyTicketFTM

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    There’s only one of us moving the goalposts here mate.. Name your 19 strikers then instead of trying to be condescending and looking like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
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  14. marcusblackcat

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    Tyler Roberts €430k
    Haji Wright €7m 1
    Ellis Simms €6m 2
    Aaron Connolly €1.35m
    George Hirst €1.75m
    Joel Piroe €14m
    Tm. Cannon €8.8m 3
    Emmanuel Latte Lath €5m 4
    Kevin Nisbet €2.34m
    Milutin Osmajic €2.5m
    Sam Nombe €1.1m
    Ross Stewart €9.3m 5
    Ryan Mmaee €4m 6
    Nasariy Rusyn €2.5m
    Eliezer Mayenda €800k
    Luís Semedo €500k
    Jerry Yates €2.8m 7
    Mykola Kukharevych €2m
    Mileta Rajovic €2m

    Apologies I said 9th but he’s joint 8th out of those 19. Still not what you’d call “one of the most expensive” unless you want to move your goalposts again.

    These are the attackers that demanded a fee in the championship this season. Sometimes the condescending tone is fully deserved. Show me where I moved the goalposts?
     
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  15. WorkyTicketFTM

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    Genuinely mental that you still think you’re right here but fair play you’re persistent.
     
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  16. marcusblackcat

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    I’m done with you, if I wasn’t a mod you’d be on ignore. As a fan, you have some occasional good views which I agree with, but on this you are impossible, first you say Rusyn was one of the most expensive, then you change that to starting (post 681 you moved the goalposts) so that you can move him up the list. I didn’t even include the other Southampton lad as he wasn’t signed in the window.

    I said not including loans, you include loans. You ignore Ellis Simms as he’s “not their most expensive?”

    You ask for the 19 players, I gave you them. You post this as a response?

    Thats the last I’m saying on this matter. Respond if you want, but I’m ignoring it as I have proved my point.
     
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  17. marcusblackcat

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    @RTB sincere apologies for derailing this thread. <sorry><hug>
     
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