Off Topic Climate change/ pollution

Then they are referring to it incorrectly.

 

To be honest I wondered what you meant.

 

Govt website calls it vehicle tax. Who cares anyway?

 

It doesn’t refer to it as Road Tax or Car Tax which was mentioned originally.
Some daft so and sos think it is road tax the money from which goes on building and maintaining roads which it doesn’t, though it did when it was called road tax up to 1938.

 

As a side note to your post HT2... has it been established what happened at Luton Airport when the car exploded and caused million of damage and the knock on effect to the aviation industry and people travelling.. wouldn't have been an EV would put by chance as there are countless videos of them exploding unattended.

 

As far as I'm aware it was a diesel wasn't it?

The person I met and told me about their insurance issues, said that it was purely down to fire hazard and the insurance company not wanting to take the risk, all EV charge points moving forward needed to be out in the open.

 

Another problem is that the expenditure would fall to Departments that would not see the benefits, and those that would see the benefits have committed their funding elsewhere, but that's a whole other discussion.

 

As a guess, as things get more integrated and subscription based, ved/car tax will eventually be replaced by a mileage tax. The more you drive, the more you pay.

It will be those in their teens and twenties that will determine the future, most don't have the historical preferences towards diesel and petrol vehicles that we have, many no longer bother taking manual driving licenses, because deemed unnecessary for the future. Where I live, many traffic schools have stopped offering manual lessons because of lack of demand.

 

How the heck will those in their teens and twenties be able to afford an EV, or will the availability of used vehicles mean prices will plummet. And if a battery has a life of say (and I dont know this) 80k miles and its done 65 and a new battery is more than the car??? Their are so many facets to this discussion.

 

By the time someone, who is 18 now, is financially ready to buy or lease a car (25-30?), they won't have the fear of change which older buyers have. They won't have the fear of charging a car or owning something still seen as new.

From my experience, batteries have a life far long than 80k miles. The efficiency is reduced, much like a mobile phone and depending on quality and usage, some are in better and worse conditions, but it's not like they suddenly stop working.

Newer Chinese brands such as Nio sell cars at a relatively lower purchase price, but with subscription based changeable batteries and other tech. Tesla are looking into this apparently. In China they have loading stations where you drive your car in and robots change the battery for a loaded one in 5 minutes. You will also be able to order an automated battery delivery via an app, automated delivery. Brave new world.

I completely understand why for some over 40, this isn't acceptable... But like many who believed that no one would give up owning hard copies of music, things change.

 

At the moment, the poor are subsidising those wealthy enough to buy the EV's.

Interestingly the latest reports have a calculated that several ICE cars have lower emissions than some hybrids.

 

I don’t think it’s a fearing change thing at the moment.
It’s more that right now the infrastructure isn’t there and people don’t trust the people who say it is going to be there, which is hardly surprising when targets get suddenly moved

 

Well they would do, but their main issue is melting and that will get worse as climate changes.
Vicious cycle…

 

I see what you did there!!

 

There’s an American on YouTube bought a Tesla for $25,000 but the battery had a fault and would not charge more than 50 miles, anyway Tesla wanted $25k for a new battery, luckily some guy he knew managed to repair it for a thousand dollars, anyone buying an out of warranty EV is running the risk of scrapping a quite new car because the battery costs more than the car is worth.

 

Wonder what will happen in 30 years time if the climate continues to change after the world has achieved Net zero. Probably a lot of head scratching.

 

I'd never buy an EV or hybrid that didn't have a manufacturer warranty.... The bills just aren't worth the risk

 

Small efficient ICE cars should definitely still be allowed as an option

I would go for that for longer journeys and an electric bike for short trips

I'm not a big fan of 2 ton SUV style EVs